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mccainjohn96
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Mia Xanthi wrote: |
I agree with NCTBA's great description of the passion inspired by the DELTA among the British supervisory folk at HCT. An American MA was just a piece of paper to them (or sometimes worth less), but a DELTA....now THAT was a qualification.
However, most of the rest of the sane teaching world recognizes a two-year MA with a substantial practicum as being superior to the DELTA. I would go with the MA. |
At my recent interview with ARAMCO, the mutawa person sitting there with my BA in English and MA in ESL with practicum and 10+ years of ME experience in front of him seemed quite unimpressed and asked me with a great frown why it was that I had no CELTA or DELTA or the like. His frown grew even larger as I tried to explain how the MA far supersedes such certificates. His British colleague intervened and conceded my point, but I had won the battle and lost the war. Never argue with a mutawa. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I wudda jes'told him that God had not yet Willed one upon me to date...and then quickly ask for his intercession!
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Dear mccainjohn96,
"Knew that was coming."
I suppose I should feel glad that I didn't disappoint you. But it was uncalled for, and after I posted it and rushed off to work, it bothered me.
OK - I think your on-line persona can be a bit nasty (my gift for understatement is being strained here - that persona would likely make a prickly pear cactus envious.) But for all I know, you'd be a joy to have as a colleague. Who we represent ourselves as being here may or may not bear much resemblance to who we really are.
So, I apologize for that remark.
Regards,
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| My problem? Nothing better to do than to note the deficiencies of my erstwhile colleagues whilst my name lingers, for no apparent reason, on the Saudi embassy blacklist--which you smugly claim does not exist. Sorry to rock the boat of your mutual admiration society. |
Oh, I've never denied that 'blacklists' exist for those who have broken Saudi law and been subsequently deported. Would that be you? But there is no such 'blacklist' for employees who were not granted NOCs, which was in fact the subject of the relevant discussion. I'm not sure if there are blacklists for teachers who write with rather puzzling syntax, but if there are, your last sentence alone would certainly qualify you for it. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Do I spot a chip on someones's shoulder ?
For the record I have neither an MA in Teflological Studies nor a DELTA.
And I am the BEST teacher in the world - I know that coz my kiddies tell me that in class when they are asking me what grade I will give them ! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Silence. Silence. Silence. Question here. Whatever became of our last place presidential runner???
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vorticity
Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 35 Location: The Eurasian Plate
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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vorticity
Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 35 Location: The Eurasian Plate
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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From my relatively inexperienced viewpoint: I would think the DELTA is more orientated towards the practice of teaching, with an MA being more theoretically based.
As far as teacher development is concerned, I would think the DELTA is more valuable and 'to the point'. The idea being to produce a better teacher - not someone 'unecessarily grounded' in matters they might not need nor touch again as a teacher |
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Grendal

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Posts: 861 Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| vorticity wrote: |
From my relatively inexperienced viewpoint: I would think the DELTA is more orientated towards the practice of teaching, with an MA being more theoretically based.
As far as teacher development is concerned, I would think the DELTA is more valuable and 'to the point'. The idea being to produce a better teacher - not someone 'unecessarily grounded' in matters they might not need nor touch again as a teacher |
Here here!
You know. It's been said before and I'll say it again. An MA or PhD is what they are looking for in Saudi Arabia. It is good to have these credentials and I don't need to say more on this. Buuuuut...........
If many years of experience with a DELTA or BA with a certificate can produce a well rounded ELT then one may not need to go any furthur in academia. I am a social creature and thrive with contact amungst other social creatures, most importantly my students. They seem OK with the fact that I have a BA. But I am sure that if I was not doing my job properly then it wouldn't matter if I had 10 PhDs in nuclear physics or Psycholinguisticalitiness. I would fail in my attempts at SLA.
Regards.
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kugaas
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 17 Location: London
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There's nothing like a spot of blagging. However, part of perfecting this fine art includes actually getting away with it. Blagging's ultimate nemesis would have to be the virtue of letting an argument go even when one is in the right. It seems you have achieved this rare quality johnslat.
Johnmccain, you may have a point about comma splices but neither have you been consistent, convincing or even coherent in your argument. It is easier on the eyes and tongue to remove the comma.
I sincerely hope that your actual persona is as distant, from the other mccain, as what you mentioned concerning some remote verb phrase. Did you know that the real johnmccain was captured and put into a pit for seven years as a pow?
The delta, without an exception, is the superior qualification for teaching. It is a level seven course on the uk national qualifications framework and the list of good universities that exempt a holder from thirty credits on their MA course should leave no doubt as to the respect the delta commands. It truly is a world class product from Cambridge.
Although it is not as well known here in Saudi Arabia (a phenomenon local to KSA as those 'in the know' would agree) it's younger sibling the Celta is well established and highly desirable amongst many direct hire firms. Currently though, an MA is popular. However, this is only a reflection of the unsophisticated and ill-informed mentality found in the majority of recruiters. By reasonable extension, it is also a reflection of the greater ostentatious society many witness here.
The Delta remains distinguished and unique. Aramco will raise you an eyebrow or two and if education here was ever to undergo serious reform, The Delta will make you highly sought after or in the least keep you employed. The Delta will make you a better teacher more than any MA will. Dare I say it, it will also challenge you more.
You can blag your way through an MA, even just for the fun of it. No blagger would even dare apply for a Delta. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Why are you responding to a thread that has been dead since 2010?
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kugaas
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 17 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Do you mean to ask why I chose to respond now?
I didn't. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Do you mean to ask why I chose to respond now?
I didn't |
You're being held captive and forced to revive old, dead threads? |
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The Fifth Column

Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Johnmccain...I sincerely hope that your actual persona is as distant, from the other mccain, as what you mentioned concerning some remote verb phrase. Did you know that the real johnmccain was captured and put into a pit for seven years as a pow? |
Although I completely disagree with you over yer precious DELTA, we may agree here:
The real McCain, arguably, deserved everything he got. He was ordered to never go "feet dry" over Viet Nam directly because his father, at the time, was CINCPAC and McCain was viewed as a possible bargaining chip if captured.
He disobeyed orders and paid the price. Later, as a US Senator, he was instrumental in the collapse of the Saving & Loan industry being a key member of the "Keating Five"...
'Mericans tend to have short memories and, typically, know only what CNN or FOX tells them to believe..
McCain? He's a joke without a punchline... |
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