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Is China still full of ESL opportunity?
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Alien abductee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff Markness. Flexibility is the key here. Once you've got the ole residence permit stamped in passport the skys the limit.
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Markness



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alien abductee wrote:
Good stuff Markness. Flexibility is the key here. Once you've got the ole residence permit stamped in passport the skys the limit.


Cheers, Alien!

Forgot to mention. People give the nod more often than not towards universities, the package they offer is pretty solid, but, there is one thing that irks me about them versus a training school... it has to do with... dun dun dun... scheduling!

At my school I do 1 on 1's and there is some flexibility in my schedule, I am somewhat able to block my classes together (because I complain to the staff if they place a class at a stupid time). This means I have less time at work... it may not seem like a big deal but I know of some people at universities who work odd hours. Low, but odd. Some start at 8:30AM, have one or two classes and then nothing until the afternoon. For me, that kind of would kill my day. I'm the type of dude who doesn't mind working a little more hours but approximately the same amount of time at the school as a university teacher is.

Our time is money, if you work low hours/have accommodation I think that works great, but it isn't that great if they don't try to block your classes together and you're stuck at school surfing the internet instead of sleeping.

Anywho, forgot to mention that, and don't forget this OP.
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the information, Markness. I have been looking solely at universities thus far. I do like the idea of low hours + free accommodation and weekends off. I haven't even considered training schools yet, but I might if I don't get a decent uni offer.

The problem is that one rarely hears about the good jobs. Most of the time, you only hear about a training school when they don't treat their teachers well. That's one reason why I see a training school job as an even bigger question mark than uni jobs. This is what I have noticed, but maybe you have noticed something different.

Anyway, since I started this thread, I have done more research on air pollution. I really think that I will have to bypass the super large cities, especially in the north. Dalian may be an exception though. The pollution doesn't seem as bad there. I am also interested in jobs in Xiamen, Fuzhou, and Hangzhou. I think that I would just be miserable if I had to deal with the type of pollution in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc... Since this is the case, a good training school may be the ticket I need to get into the location I prefer. The trouble is finding a good one.

Cheers!
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PittsburghSound wrote:
Thank you for the information, Markness. I have been looking solely at universities thus far. I do like the idea of low hours + free accommodation and weekends off. I haven't even considered training schools yet, but I might if I don't get a decent uni offer.

The problem is that one rarely hears about the good jobs. Most of the time, you only hear about a training school when they don't treat their teachers well. That's one reason why I see a training school job as an even bigger question mark than uni jobs. This is what I have noticed, but maybe you have noticed something different.

Anyway, since I started this thread, I have done more research on air pollution. I really think that I will have to bypass the super large cities, especially in the north. Dalian may be an exception though. The pollution doesn't seem as bad there. I am also interested in jobs in Xiamen, Fuzhou, and Hangzhou. I think that I would just be miserable if I had to deal with the type of pollution in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc... Since this is the case, a good training school may be the ticket I need to get into the location I prefer. The trouble is finding a good one.

Cheers!


My recommendation is to either go to a Tier 1 or Tier 2 city unless you are really really flexible/can't be bothered by anything. You don't realize how obnoxious it can be if you live in the sticks and people stop/stare at you all day everyday. That literally would happen to me before (and I am not a freaky-looking fella before anyone questions that, heh!). Also, the air may be fresher in the smaller cities but the habits of the countryside folk, though innocent can drive you nuts after a while. You won't be able to speak Mandarin there with them and their stereotypes/beliefs are super backwards. I.E. My friend's friend tried to buy a book for a newborn daughter of one of the countryside folk and they told her to "not bother, it's bullcrap, you can't trust books!". These sorts of things aren't out of the ordinary and it will drive you crazy after a while. Don't go to a city that you can't find in Wikipedia. I personally recommend Chengdu, although the air isn't that fresh. But it's China, so it's a bit hard to find a city with fresh air, sorry to be the barer of bad news! Doh!
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the smaller cities activities are limited drinking beer and eating the same food everyday. There isn't much to do out there... like nothing. No western restaurants, no movie theaters, no malls, and the architecture is super depressing. It's also more dangerous there too. You get really bored/lonely not being around any other familiar faces. I used to think the same way but trust me, it's not worth being the only foreigner around unless you are a true warrior of culture. It's also more difficult to get a GF in the sticks (this may sound sleazy but it's the truth).
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, all the cities I mentioned are Tier 2 cities along the coast. I very much enjoy the idea of living in a coastal city. These cities won't have perfectly clean air, but they may offer the best air we can find in China. Chengdu seems like a cool place, actually. But I think the combination of the pollution there and the isolation of it being a very interior city would turn me away from it. However, I have heard the cuisine in Chengdu waxes legendary, which is a huge factor to consider.

Anyway, I might have a job offer in Fuzhou. Seems like a nice city.
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Voyeur



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuzhou's okay. Weather is a bit obnoxious (but 'Welcome to Southern China!'), but it is big enough. Most importantly, pollution is manageable.

Where to work in China depends a lot on your goals. What is good for a one-year stint is sometimes different than what you want if you are trying to build up to the better jobs over years.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Markness forgot to bring his own cheese and bread.
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Markness



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
Markness forgot to bring his own cheese and bread.


Also brought my own 10 yuan bottle of the cheap local hooch! OP, that city sounds pretty good, you won't regret it! Don't forget to brush up on your Mandarin a bit in case you want to go on about on your own and get food by yourself instead of with students all the time! heh!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided not to pursue that job further. They offer a housing allowance, but I'm looking for free accommodation. I don't really want to deal with paying for my own place. I was willing to give it a try at first, but I thought better of it and caught myself before agreeing to take the job.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free accommodation has some advantages, even in China where there is no 'key money'. It does leave you freer to make an exit if things go badly, and there is less upfront cost (no two months rent in advance, less time in hotels at the beginning). On the other hand, in many cities getting a decent place for the allowance is no sweat. You can choose yourself and often make money off the allowance if you are frugal in your choice of apt.
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