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mysterytrain

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 366
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: Best Places to live / work in Guangxi, Guizhou or Yunnan? |
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Hi all, I'm planning to return to China next year after four years in Indonesia (I taught in Xinjiang for ten months in 2010-11, my first ESL job).
I am interested in working in Guangxi, Guizhou, or possibly Yunnan for a few reasons, including:
- warmer winters, which are more suitable for my Indonesian wife (to the extent that cold weather suits her at all, which is ... not much... a place like Xinjiang would be MUCH too cold for her in winter!)
- interesting cultural mix with many ethnic minorities and
- some beautiful topography and scenery
I have not been to any of these provinces before, though we are planning an "exploratory junket" to Guilin, Yangshuo, Longji, Kaili area in December (wanted to go to Guiyang and Zunyi as well, but considering at least 15 hours of combined train or bus travel to get there - one way - no inexpensive hotel in Zunyi, and the fact that we have to get back to Guilin, all within ten days, it seems like too much time spent for what it would be worth... if we had more time, I would definitely want to get up there and maybe even get in an interview or two while looking around. I'm not much interested in the area much south of Guilin in Guangxi, unless I learn something that changes my mind.)
I have been doing some research about schools in Guangxi and Guizhou in the places I'm most interested in so far (Guilin, Guiyang and Zunyi), mostly private language schools, though I'm sure there are public school and university jobs as well.
Any opinions from those who've had a go, about what are the best (or worst) places to live in these three provinces, any good (or bad) schools to work for, etc, would be appreciated.
(Is Guiyang a better place to live than Zunyi, or the other way around, and why? Yunnan ... Kunming, Yuxi, or Dali? etc) |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013 Posts: 589 Location: Shanghai, China
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Guangxi is good, but go somewhere in the south of Guangxi. Places like Liuzhou and Guilin get cold. Nanning is warm in the winter. |
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newmansone
Joined: 07 Sep 2014 Posts: 70
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't get it. I really don't. Everyone, all people, every where have their own opinions, likes, dislikes, peeves, etc. about everything in life. What makes you think that one persons opinion is suitable to you? You must rush to the theater or avoid it at all costs based on some loser movie reviewer too? ONLY you know what you like or dislike. It's posts like this that make us all realize you are only setting yourself up to blame everyone but yourself later should you not like what you get YOURSELF into. |
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roadwalker

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: Ch
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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OP, which ONE PERSON's opinion were you trying to elicit? Please be specific as my criticism of you may depend on the answer. In the meantime, please refrain from asking questions of a community of teachers about specific regions of China in order to answer specific questions about where you might be most happy to teach. And do your research!
/s What makes anyone think that asking a question on a forum is the sole piece of research the asker is conducting? Why not get others' opinions? There might very well be information in an answer that is not easily found elsewhere.
Sorry, OP, I've been to Guangxi and Yunnan but I'm not familiar enough to have a useful answer to your questions. Good luck. |
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teenoso
Joined: 18 Sep 2013 Posts: 365 Location: south china
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I would definitely recommend Guangxi, as a friendly and interesting region: Luizhou, Nanning and Beihai in the far south.
I taught in Nanning for one year, and the city is lively and beautiful in parts, with a smattering of foreign bar, stores and restaurants.
Luizhou is much smaller than Nanning but has some karst mountains in the city.
People here also speak highly of Yangshuo where there are many English training schools .
Guangxi people , in my experience , are much more open and friendly than the sometimes aloof people of more developed areas in China, like Jiangsu. |
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mysterytrain

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 366
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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newmansone wrote: |
I just don't get it. I really don't. |
Yes, I agree with this part: you don't get it, you really don't.
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Everyone, all people, every where have their own opinions, likes, dislikes, peeves, etc. about everything in life. |
Umm... yeah...
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What makes you think that one persons opinion is suitable to you? You must rush to the theater or avoid it at all costs based on some loser movie reviewer too? ONLY you know what you like or dislike. It's posts like this that make us all realize you are only setting yourself up to blame everyone but yourself later should you not like what you get YOURSELF into. |
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Yep, that's me, you got me ... except, that's not me at all. I sometimes refuse to go to the theater to see a film that everyone and their uncle Bob are raving about, because I have a gut feeling or strong imagination that it's not going to be my personal cup of meat. And it's very possible that I will end up choosing the northern part of Guizhou, for example, even though a majority of respondents here might vote for Southern Yunnan or whatever, or vice versa. That said, whether posters feel it's worth their time to give their opinions or not is, naturally, entirely up to them, but I do want to receive those opinions or advice if I can get them, and I will take them into account and appreciate them.
I suppose part of what you didn't get is that I was asking for opinions about living and working in these provinces, not "opinions about people asking for opinions on message boards", but thanks for playing anyway... though it might have been more appropriate and waste less of your time and mine to simply refrain from commenting.
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mysterytrain

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 366
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Shanghai Noon wrote: |
Guangxi is good, but go somewhere in the south of Guangxi. Places like Liuzhou and Guilin get cold. Nanning is warm in the winter. |
Hm... interesting. I haven't given much thought to the southern part of Guangxi, so I will try to reconsider and at least do a bit more "research" on it. Any specifics about why you find Guangxi, in particular, more attractive?
I know it does get a bit colder to the north and farther from the sea, but I think my wife could adapt enough to survive any part of the three provinces (other places in China I am personally not opposed to trying**, like IM, Gansu, Jilin or back to Xinjiang... different story. Based on what I have experienced of her (very real and not at all psychosomatic) "allergy to cold", I have very real doubts about her ability to physically survive winter in such places, and I would be cruel to take her there. Another thing that I like about these three provinces is their relative proximity and ease of access back to Indonesia. IF the winter weather proves unbearable for her, there are cheap and quick flights by Air Asia from Guilin, Nanning, or Kunming to KL and from there to her hometown on Borneo.)
** I may have not mentioned that while my wife does not like and indeed has a physical aversion to cold weather, I myself love the stuff... even northern Xinjiang was okay for me, though I had never experienced cold like that before, I loved it... even left a window or two open through much of the winter because the heat in the FT residence building was so high, it was hot in the apartment and I couldn't turn it down... sometimes ran the A/C too and spent most of my time inside in shorts and a tshirt, while it was minus 10-20 C outside...  |
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mysterytrain

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 366
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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roadwalker wrote: |
OP, which ONE PERSON's opinion were you trying to elicit? Please be specific as my criticism of you may depend on the answer. In the meantime, please refrain from asking questions of a community of teachers about specific regions of China in order to answer specific questions about where you might be most happy to teach. And do your research!
/s What makes anyone think that asking a question on a forum is the sole piece of research the asker is conducting? Why not get others' opinions? There might very well be information in an answer that is not easily found elsewhere.
Sorry, OP, I've been to Guangxi and Yunnan but I'm not familiar enough to have a useful answer to your questions. Good luck. |
I find this post a tad confusing, but after reading three times I have concluded that the first paragraph is a bit of a parody or satiric reinterpretation of newmansome's reply above it, followed by your rebuttal to the same... if so, I approve.
To (again) rebut newmansome's complaint, I personally feel that the use of the plural form ("opinions", "those") makes it pretty clear that there is no "one person" whose opinions I am seeking or wish to follow... but I could be wrong.  |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 527 Location: Kuala Lumpur
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Beihai's ok but it's a small city. Nice beach and seafood, but I passed through there in the winter holiday once so didn't get a real good look. I'm sure in summer it's nicer. Nanning, Liuzhou, and Guilin seem decent enough too. The whole southwest part of China is less crowded and pretty scenic which is what attracts people. You could probably pick any city in those three provinces and one would be as good as the other for working and living I think. |
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mysterytrain

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 366
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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teenoso wrote: |
I would definitely recommend Guangxi, as a friendly and interesting region: Luizhou, Nanning and Beihai in the far south.
I taught in Nanning for one year, and the city is lively and beautiful in parts, with a smattering of foreign bar, stores and restaurants.
Luizhou is much smaller than Nanning but has some karst mountains in the city.
People here also speak highly of Yangshuo where there are many English training schools .
Guangxi people , in my experience , are much more open and friendly than the sometimes aloof people of more developed areas in China, like Jiangsu. |
Cheers, teenoso. Thus far, two votes for Guangxi and southern Guangxi in particular, so I will give that area more thought and do some of that "other" research (apart from asking the opinions of random strangers) on it. It seems that more "Western" folks travel to or through (or work in) Guangxi or Yunnan than Guizhou... (at least I get that impression so far).
Yangshuo is, briefly, on our itinerary for our trip in December. A tourist hotspot it seems. I have so far found one English school there online, and it seems a bit sketchy, but I'm sure there are others. The thing about popular spots like that is that though there may be schools and jobs, there are also lots of foreigners about who may want to take those jobs so they can stay there (with an income) and salaries are likely to be quite low.
I've found about three schools in Guilin, four in Guiyang, two in Zunyi and one in Tongren so far (all of those after Guilin are in Guizhou).
Thing is, we only have ten days and will be entering and exiting China from the same point (Guilin). I am trying to plan the trip as a combination of job / location research and relaxing vacation, but with the time limits and travel times it may have to be more or less "either / or" rather than both.
I've figured it as technically possible (pending the availability of train / coach tickets) to make it from Guilin to Guiyang, Zunyi and Tongren, with brief side visits to Yangshuo and Longji / Kaili / Xijang (the "pure relaxation" bits), but that will leave little time for smelling the flowers and a lot of time on trains or buses... definitely impossible to cover all three provinces in that amount of time.
Yes, I believe that bit about the locals being (generally) more friendly away from the more "developed" parts of China is probably, almost certainly true.
However, in Guangxi and Guizhou (maybe Yunnan too?) a very substantial part of the population are members of various ethnic minority groups (Miao, Dong, Hui, etc) and my "research" so far has said that many of them speak primarily the tribal languages and / or dialects that scarcely resemble standard "putonghua" (not that I can really speak or understand spoken Mandarin, so I guess that doesn't really make a hill of beans )
Cheers for the replies (minus the "rant petit" from newmansome). |
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roadwalker

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: Ch
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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mysterytrain wrote: |
roadwalker wrote: |
OP, which ONE PERSON's opinion were you trying to elicit? Please be specific as my criticism of you may depend on the answer. In the meantime, please refrain from asking questions of a community of teachers about specific regions of China in order to answer specific questions about where you might be most happy to teach. And do your research!
/s What makes anyone think that asking a question on a forum is the sole piece of research the asker is conducting? Why not get others' opinions? There might very well be information in an answer that is not easily found elsewhere.
Sorry, OP, I've been to Guangxi and Yunnan but I'm not familiar enough to have a useful answer to your questions. Good luck. |
I find this post a tad confusing, but after reading three times I have concluded that the first paragraph is a bit of a parody or satiric reinterpretation of newmansome's reply above it, followed by your rebuttal to the same... if so, I approve.
To (again) rebut newmansome's complaint, I personally feel that the use of the plural form ("opinions", "those") makes it pretty clear that there is no "one person" whose opinions I am seeking or wish to follow... but I could be wrong.  |
Yeah, the /s is supposed to stand for "end of sarcasm" or "end of snark". Sorry for the confusion. |
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