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waltgomez
Joined: 03 Jul 2014 Posts: 105
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:48 pm Post subject: Letters of Non Objection required for how many years? |
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I left Saudi Arabia 5 ½ years ago and am applying for a job in Saudi again- I got these reqs from the employer/recruiter:
"...all candidates who have worked (or are currently working) in Saudi Arabia are now required by the Ministry of Education to provide the following:
* Performance Evaluation
* Employment Certificate/ Official Document from HR that states the reason for leaving
* No Objection Certificate
* Final Exit..."
I have an NOC and final exit from 5 years ago but I don't have the "Performance Evaluation" or the "Employment Certificate stating the reason for leaving" ( whatever that is).
Please advise if you know anything about it.
Also, I have a new passport now. |
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plumpy nut
Joined: 12 Mar 2011 Posts: 1652
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Letters of Non Objection required for how many years? |
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waltgomez wrote: |
I left Saudi Arabia 5 ½ years ago and am applying for a job in Saudi again- I got these reqs from the employer/recruiter:
"...all candidates who have worked (or are currently working) in Saudi Arabia are now required by the Ministry of Education to provide the following:
* Performance Evaluation
* Employment Certificate/ Official Document from HR that states the reason for leaving
* No Objection Certificate
* Final Exit..."
I have an NOC and final exit from 5 years ago but I don't have the "Performance Evaluation" or the "Employment Certificate stating the reason for leaving" ( whatever that is).
Please advise if you know anything about it.
Also, I have a new passport now. |
I have never heard of the 'Performance Evaluation'. It sounds like just another one of the retarded or manipulative ideas that Saudi companies come up with. A Saudi performance evaluation would have nothing to do with your performance as an educator anyway. The employment certificate is a "letter of completion". They were required to provide that when you left the company. A "Letter of No Objection" is not legally required, although a Saudi company run by Saudis (with their attitude towards employees as indentured servants) might ask for one anyway. As far as the exit visa, hopefully you kept it when you exited the country. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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NOC/LONO was two years, later reduced to one year. We now have the unusual doctrine that "The NOC is not a legal requirement but may be an administrative requirement by some employers." So said the legal bod in the "Arab News" a while back. |
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ttxor1
Joined: 04 Jan 2014 Posts: 119
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:14 am Post subject: |
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not speaking specifically for Saudi, but a performance evaluation could be an observation conducted by a head of department/academic manager which 'rates' your teaching based on department/program goals. Pasted below are the principles of one such document by an employer.
Lesson plan is complete and professionally presented
Lesson plan has a clearly defined language and/or skill aim(s) that is/are measurable
Lesson plan has comprehensive and descriptive language analysis that relates to lesson aims
Lesson plan has realistic/thoughtful predictions of potential problems and appropriate solutions
Predictions of problems with target language/skills show a clear understanding of students’ ability and age
Interaction patterns (e.g. working in pairs, small groups, open class) are included
Interaction patterns are varied, well-planned and appropriate
Stage procedures (i.e. what the teacher and students are going to do) are clear
Stage procedures are descriptive and appropriate considering stage aims
Staging is logical in terms of overall lesson aims
Stage aims are clear, measureable, clearly defined and appropriate for the age group
Planned pacing shows an awareness of time constraints
Planned pacing is appropriate to the students’ needs
Teacher has planned to present and practice language through an appropriate context
Teacher has planned suitable productive activities
Productive activities have communicative purpose
Feedback is planned at appropriate points throughout the lesson
Teacher has planned an appropriate balance and frequency of stirrers and settlers
Lesson includes a fun warmer
Lesson contains a high level of creativity/use of imagination/self produced materials
Level of challenge is sufficient
Level of challenge is high (e.g. students are encouraged to produce natural language)
Level of challenge is adjusted in response to student performance
Staging, pacing and interaction patterns generally follow the lesson plan
The amount of practice for students is sufficient
Teacher provides opportunities for production during the lesson
The amount of production from students is high and appropriate
The language being practiced is useful and authentic
Activities are effective in meeting their stage aims
Activities motivate students through competition/fun
Teacher ensures that all students are engaged and involved in activities
Teacher monitors effectively and promotes output
Teacher creates opportunities for personalisation
Rapport and classroom atmosphere are positive
Rapport and CA are very positive (e.g. SS addressed by name, consistently praised, cooperation present)
Classroom and behaviour are well-managed (e.g. VN limited; students are on task and focused, etc.)
Teacher effectively adapts lesson plan to deal with emergent language/conditions/student questions
Lesson aims are sufficiently met (e.g. target language is presented, practiced and produced)
Teacher identifies issues in observation feedback
Teacher effectively self-assesses and diagnoses issues in observation feedback and is able to reflect critically
Materials are appropriate to the lesson aims and age group
Materials are creative / creatively adapted from the course book or the supplementary resources
Teacher has focused on a previously identified area (e.g. giving instructions) and shown marked improvement
Signposting is present and clear on whiteboard
Lesson content is relevant to the students needs/lives
The lesson features adequate focus on pronunciation
Teacher engages with the students on a personal level at some point during the lesson
Teacher actively encourages learner autonomy (e.g. through self-study/extension activities at home)
During the lesson students are reminded of their progress, and how it meets their needs and learning goals
Teacher demonstrates effective use of tech tools such as the IWB or tablets
Teacher uses tech tools to promote an interactive classroom
Teacher uses wide range of visual images and/or audio to support learning
Teacher experiments with software (e.g. ActiveInspire, Prezi) to enhance delivery of lesson content
Use of tech tools facilitates achievement of lesson aims
The use of tech tools promotes a student centred classroom |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: erm |
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If you did a short contract and never had an iqamaa, would you need an NOC or not? |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:24 am Post subject: Re: erm |
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dragonpiwo wrote: |
If you did a short contract and never had an iqamaa, would you need an NOC or not? |
No, an NOC doesn't apply to those who were never on an employment/work visa. |
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coder
Joined: 12 Jun 2014 Posts: 94 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Letters of Non Objection required for how many years? |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you were on a business visa then you were not working, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. |
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