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Cubism
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 Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:52 am Post subject: Naheya Bilingual School Hothot Inner Mongolia |
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Do you know anything about this school? No idea if they're legitimate or what.
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laroca
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AVOID NAHEYA BILINGUAL SCHOOL IN INNER MONGOLIA.
Teachers please avoid being cheated by those liars at Naheya. That school is maybe the worst school in China. They do not deserve to have foreign teachers, but there is a American women called VANESSA, that spends the whole day on SKYPE telling lies to naïve teachers who are looking for a teaching position.
The owner, they call him, HEAD MASTER, is a simple old businessman that knows nothing about education and cannot speak English. He is a real *beep* that only care about how to make money. He never talk to the teachers. He is always trying to make money from naïve parents that believe that their children will learn English in that building.
He also one day decided to pay somebody for making a really bad English book to teach those poor children. Do not dare to say anything against that book!
When you arrive here, he will tell you that you have to sleep with 20 students.
If you say not, he then does not give you the job.
All the foreign teachers (Ukrainian, UK, philippinians) who work there are not happy, they always wake up and regret being at that cheap school. But because they are already in the hole and do not have money to get out of it, they need to stay here eating the same cheap food that the school provide.
Vanessa will promise you an apartment and a return ticket. You will never get it if you managed to stay in that school for one year. It does not matter if you complaint to the immigration department or the police. The school will not give you a return ticket.
Just this September 2014, four foreign teachers have quitted, because the school cannot even get them a Z VISA.
VANESSA will promises you everything she could to bring you here, and after you get there, you will be dumped into a hole. No job, no Z VISA. NO MONEY.
They will use you and will give you what they WANT. I have been there myself, I have seen it all, thanks to God I am out now. Vanessa is simply a big liar.
Teachers please do not waste you time and money coming to Hohhot. Save yourself the headache and trouble and pain before you sign a contract with those two faces people.
I know those people. I was cheated by them. I wasted $3000. |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| laroca wrote: |
AVOID NAHEYA BILINGUAL SCHOOL IN INNER MONGOLIA.
Teachers please avoid being cheated by those liars at Naheya. That school is maybe the worst school in China. They do not deserve to have foreign teachers, but there is a American women called VANESSA, that spends the whole day on SKYPE telling lies to naïve teachers who are looking for a teaching position. |
Making every OTHER word all in CAPITALS doesn't make your CASE more BELIEVABLE it just MAKES your TEXT harder to READ and take SERIOUSLY.
| laroca wrote: |
| The owner, they call him, HEAD MASTER, is a simple old businessman that knows nothing about education and cannot speak English. He is a real *beep* that only care about how to make money. He never talk to the teachers. He is always trying to make money from naïve parents that believe that their children will learn English in that building. |
That sounds deplorable.
Quick question, are you by any chance one of the non-native English speakers working at the school (as per your mention below)?
If so I've always had a question I've wanted to ask someone like yourself, especially someone that complains of fraud by schools.
Were your students aware that you are a non-native speaker?
If not, weren't you essentially helping to perpetuate the fraud?
| laroca wrote: |
| When you arrive here, he will tell you that you have to sleep with 20 students. |
On second thought this probably doesn't mean what I think it does. |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| laroca wrote: |
| All the foreign teachers (Ukrainian, UK, philippinians) who work there are not happy, they always wake up and regret being at that cheap school. But because they are already in the hole and do not have money to get out of it, they need to stay here eating the same cheap food that the school provide. |
Why do they have no money? No-one should arrive in a new country or at a new job without enough money in reserve in case of emergencies or in case they want to go back home.
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| VANESSA will promises you everything she could to bring you here, and after you get there, you will be dumped into a hole. No job, no Z VISA. NO MONEY. |
Then you simply get up and walk out of the hole. There's nothing keeping you there so go out and find another job, a legal one.
| laroca wrote: |
| Teachers please do not waste you time and money coming to Hohhot. Save yourself the headache and trouble and pain before you sign a contract with those two faces people. |
Again, if there's no work visa and residence permit then there's no legal contract.
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| Vanessa will promise you an apartment and a return ticket. You will never get it if you managed to stay in that school for one year. It does not matter if you complaint to the immigration department or the police. The school will not give you a return ticket. |
You can't really go lodge a complaint with the police if you're working illegally, can you?
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| I know those people. I was cheated by them. I wasted $3000. |
What did you waste $3,000 on?
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| Just this September 2014, four foreign teachers have quitted, because the school cannot even get them a Z VISA. |
This is the only thing in the whole post that makes sense to me. If you're not legal and the school sucks then the only sensible choice is to walk.
Yes, this school may very well suck but from the looks of the post above they'll hire anyone who comes along regardless of who they are or what they know, in which case both the school and anyone they hire are to blame. The real losers are the students who pay money to learn English and probably end up getting little in return. This reminds me of that recent Disney English thread where we were told that teachers were forced to work overtime without pay or else they'd be fired. Any employer that treats you like that would only be doing you a favor by firing you.
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| laroca wrote: |
| When you arrive here, he will tell you that you have to sleep with 20 students. |
On second thought this probably doesn't mean what I think it does. |
Yeah I see two possibilities here but either way I just hope it's not a kindergarten I'd like to hear more about this aspect of the situation though. |
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talentedcrayon
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Back to the OP...
If the school hires non-native teachers AND is lying to parents about it, probably best to avoid the place.(The AND is important because I don't want people to think I think hiring non-native teachers is bad in-and-of-itself.)
I think it would be kind of fun to troll these bad schools. Like go through the application process with them... talk to Vanessa on Skype... pretend I believe everything she says about the school, make it seem like I am overly enthusiastic about all her lies, make them think I am coming over on a tourist visa... agree to a really crappy 2500Yuan salary with no apartment sleeping in a dorm with 20 students... Tell them I'll be there on October 20th. Then not show up... But, contact them saying there's been a delay in my flight. Then make up excuse after excuse after excuse... until they catch on that I am never coming and that Joe King is not my real name, my resume is a crock, my degree, passport and TESOL cert are photoshopped.... It would be like CrankerYankers, but doing it to shady ESL schools. |
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3701 W.119th
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The_Kong
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You stealing my jokes now?
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mysterytrain
Joined: 23 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| laroca wrote: |
AVOID NAHEYA BILINGUAL SCHOOL IN INNER MONGOLIA.
Teachers please avoid being cheated by those liars at Naheya. That school is maybe the worst school in China. They do not deserve to have foreign teachers, but there is a American women called VANESSA, that spends the whole day on SKYPE telling lies to naïve teachers who are looking for a teaching position.
The owner, they call him, HEAD MASTER, is a simple old businessman that knows nothing about education and cannot speak English. He is a real *beep* that only care about how to make money. He never talk to the teachers. He is always trying to make money from naïve parents that believe that their children will learn English in that building.
He also one day decided to pay somebody for making a really bad English book to teach those poor children. Do not dare to say anything against that book!
When you arrive here, he will tell you that you have to sleep with 20 students.
If you say not, he then does not give you the job.
All the foreign teachers (Ukrainian, UK, philippinians) who work there are not happy, they always wake up and regret being at that cheap school. But because they are already in the hole and do not have money to get out of it, they need to stay here eating the same cheap food that the school provide.
Vanessa will promise you an apartment and a return ticket. You will never get it if you managed to stay in that school for one year. It does not matter if you complaint to the immigration department or the police. The school will not give you a return ticket.
Just this September 2014, four foreign teachers have quitted, because the school cannot even get them a Z VISA.
VANESSA will promises you everything she could to bring you here, and after you get there, you will be dumped into a hole. No job, no Z VISA. NO MONEY.
They will use you and will give you what they WANT. I have been there myself, I have seen it all, thanks to God I am out now. Vanessa is simply a big liar.
Teachers please do not waste you time and money coming to Hohhot. Save yourself the headache and trouble and pain before you sign a contract with those two faces people.
I know those people. I was cheated by them. I wasted $3000. |
1) Thanks for the cautionary tale. I looked at this thread because when I was thinking about returning to China a year and a half ago, I saw this school's job ad and had some interest. I think I even sent them an email expressing said interest, before caving in to my employer's request that I stay at my present school for another (long) two years. So, "there but for the grace of God go I", and it's a good reminder that no matter how copacetic an offer may look on paper (or a screen), no matter how decent a job the website does of making the school look "respectable", one buys in completely at one's own risk, if doing so without further evidence or confirmation that that is in fact the case.
2) I'm (a bit) sorry if the following comment offends you, but based on your OP, you have no business teaching students (of any age or nationality) how to speak or write in English. And the issue is not about whether you are a native speaker or not: I don't know, and I don't really care.
I have known and worked with a number of non-native speakers, including Filipinos and Filipinas (Philippinians? really?) and Indonesians, whose mastery of English usage and fluency of speech are on par with all but the very best of native speakers I've known, because they have taken the time to study the language and its proper usage intensively and to learn them thoroughly. Some of them certainly know a great deal more about teaching prescriptive English grammar than I do, since I haven't really studied that elephant since ... junior high school, about thirty five years ago. I have great respect for some of these individuals, as teachers and also simply as people who have studied diligently, who work harder than I do and are paid much, much less for it, simply because of their nationality and "market economics".
I have also known many, many native English speakers with skills comparable to those you have demonstrated above, but to think that any of them would be employed by anyone to actually teach the language to others is really a bit appalling to me. I know it may sound snobbish, but for anyone who takes the teaching of language skills at all seriously, competence of the provider at ground level (the teacher) is a serious issue. This is not primarily because the employers all deserve competent teachers as employees (most of those who deserve them should also have the ability to weed the truly incompetent or unqualified teachers out), but because people who pay money to learn a language or have it taught to their children or grandchildren deserve a reasonably competent and at least fluent instructor. Because they obviously have not yet mastered the language themselves, those at lower levels of ability (and especially parents of minor children) can be all too easily duped by incompetent teachers and ignorant and / or unscrupulous school management.
I would argue that employment - and salaries - for language instructors should become based more on demonstrable fluency and proficiency in the language to be taught, and less on the national origin of the instructor or his or her passport. It may be something of a pipe-dream for now, but it would certainly make for a more level playing field and a better learning environment for students overall.
Again, to the OP, I'm sorry if my assessment seems overly harsh, but I offer it sincerely. One should at least have a fundamental competence in a language, be it one's mother tongue or not, before hanging out a shingle to teach it. |
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3701 W.119th
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha! Apologies. I should've read down. |
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mysterytrain
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| talentedcrayon wrote: |
I think it would be kind of fun to troll these bad schools. Like go through the application process with them... talk to Vanessa on Skype... pretend I believe everything she says about the school, make it seem like I am overly enthusiastic about all her lies, make them think I am coming over on a tourist visa... agree to a really crappy 2500Yuan salary with no apartment sleeping in a dorm with 20 students... Tell them I'll be there on October 20th. Then not show up... But, contact them saying there's been a delay in my flight. Then make up excuse after excuse after excuse... until they catch on that I am never coming and that Joe King is not my real name, my resume is a crock, my degree, passport and TESOL cert are photoshopped.... It would be like CrankerYankers, but doing it to shady ESL schools. |
Are you a member or reader of "419eater.com", by any chance?
http://www.419eater.com//
Check out the "trophy room" or the "hall of shame".
Maybe you can persuade Vanessa to send you a photo of herself with a large block of cheese on top of her head and holding a handmade sign which reads "I like donkey balls". Then post it here or ... make your own site. Hey, there could be a real idea there ...  |
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Chinahere
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To mysterytrain,
You said it all.
Your positive acknowledgment of qualified non-native English teachers is inspiring and refreshing.
Your argument regarding employment and salary that should be based on demonstrable teaching and language skills and proficiency and less on passport is fair and sound.
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mysterytrain
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Chinahere, well ... thanks. I'm no hero or crusader, to be sure, but from my (admittedly quite limited) experience in ESL teaching thus far, that is honestly what I think.
I don't particularly like the idea of my own salary or earning potential as a teacher being reduced because schools start paying non-natives more fairly, of course. I want and need to make as much money as I can, because of my life circumstances and situation ... but so do the non-native speakers, and really, people should be paid what they're worth and in fair compensation for their knowledge, skills and abilities, and the services they provide, not on wildly different scales based purely on passports and / or appearance and skin color. I understand that market forces prevail, most employers are (greedy) capitalists and not exactly social justice crusaders, and they will pay anyone as little as they can get away with, but as Cool Hand Luke says, "saying you're sorry don't make it right, Boss" (not that many of them ever say they're sorry, either). |
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Chinahere
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Still mysterytrain, I appreciate your posts and views. |
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mysterytrain
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I think there is something of a tendency for any "privileged" group to rest on the laurels of the assumption that "having equals deserving", but as has been proven many times over (though not to all minds) in history, upon closer inspection, the conflation of the two was completely unwarranted, or at the least hyperbolic.
Back to the picture shows, as the "Duke of Death" (Hackman) opined when he was killed, "I... I ... I don't deserve this" ... to which the curt reply came, "'Deserve's got nothing to do with it." (Eastwood)  |
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buravirgil
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| The Duke of Death is an invention of Saul Rubenik's character, W.W. Beauchamp, based on the exploits of English Bob portrayed by Richard Harris. Gene Hackman's character, 'Little Bill' Daggett, mocks Harris' character by calling him 'the Duck'. |
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