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RonnieColeman
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 Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:05 am Post subject: a good wage for Beijing? |
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| I've just been offered a position that pays 15,000rmb and free housing. Is this a good amount for Beijing? |
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El Macho
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends on the hours, but since housing is included you should be fine. Find out where the housing is in relation to work. It's not out of the ordinary to have a 1+ hour commute. |
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RonnieColeman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| It's 40 hours overall but only 22 teaching hours. The housing would be on campus, so I don't think travelling would be much of an issue. |
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roadwalker
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I wouldn't say it's a 'good' wage (for 40 total hours), but it will be enough to live on and save some, depending on your lifestyle. Beijing has more expensive diversions available than most places, and of course it matters how often you go out, etc.
40 total hours is common for some chains and stand alone schools. But: What are you expected to do during those hours? I'd be ok with lesson planning, meetings and other activities related to my own work. Do you have to do a lot of demo lessons for prospective parents? Hand out flyers at the shopping mall? Dress as a clown? And are those 22 45-minute lessons a week or 22 clock hours? Could make 15k not worth it.
Also the accommodation on campus: individual or shared? Is it an apartment? Is it private enough to escape from the office? Those are some of the things to check. |
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El Macho
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Depends on your qualifications. If you've never taught before and only have a BA then it's not a terrible first job, especially if you're set on living in Beijing. If you've taught before, you can probably do better. As others have said, hard to say without knowing more about you and the job. |
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RonnieColeman
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I've recently completed an MA in ELT, have a Trinity TESOL cert and 4 years experience. What could I get?
I'm not in a rush, so if there's a better position, I look around. |
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El Macho
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| RonnieColeman wrote: |
| I've recently completed an MA in ELT, have a Trinity TESOL cert and 4 years experience. What could I get? |
What do you want to do with your career? To teach at a JV? To move into management? Whatever you do in China, make sure it's working towards your goals.
I think 15,000/month for 22 teaching hrs/week is pretty bad for someone with an MA and experience. (I got 21k+ for a similar contract w/similar quals & exp.) But if you see this job as leading somewhere you want to go, then good on you. Similarly, if you see this as something that'll get your foot in the door, then great.
If you think teaching K-12 is for you, then your MA by itself is nowhere near as valuable as a teaching credential. Look at Texas or Florida-based online teacher certification programs. Florida has one where your teaching abroad can count as student teaching. Huge ROI from a teaching credential. |
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RonnieColeman
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Thanks for the advice.
I decided to hold out and keep looking, just a little frustrated that I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. I'm interested in teaching academic English at a University as it will help me out more when I decide to return to the UK to teach. |
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MetaFitX
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| RonnieColeman wrote: |
Thanks for the advice.
I decided to hold out and keep looking, just a little frustrated that I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. I'm interested in teaching academic English at a University as it will help me out more when I decide to return to the UK to teach. |
Try to find a teaching position at an International Department at a public school in the Beijing or Shanghai area.
20,000+ is quite normal (I personally make a tad over w/ 14 classes a week). Might need to network a bit to find an opportunity at one though. |
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RonnieColeman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| MetaFitX wrote: |
| RonnieColeman wrote: |
Thanks for the advice.
I decided to hold out and keep looking, just a little frustrated that I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. I'm interested in teaching academic English at a University as it will help me out more when I decide to return to the UK to teach. |
Try to find a teaching position at an International Department at a public school in the Beijing or Shanghai area.
20,000+ is quite normal (I personally make a tad over w/ 14 classes a week). Might need to network a bit to find an opportunity at one though. |
I'm guessing those positions are available once you're in China only? I'm gonna keep on looking and hopefully something like that turns up! |
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Mikeylikesit114
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| RonnieColeman wrote: |
| MetaFitX wrote: |
| RonnieColeman wrote: |
Thanks for the advice.
I decided to hold out and keep looking, just a little frustrated that I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. I'm interested in teaching academic English at a University as it will help me out more when I decide to return to the UK to teach. |
Try to find a teaching position at an International Department at a public school in the Beijing or Shanghai area.
20,000+ is quite normal (I personally make a tad over w/ 14 classes a week). Might need to network a bit to find an opportunity at one though. |
I'm guessing those positions are available once you're in China only? I'm gonna keep on looking and hopefully something like that turns up! |
Try the following websites
www.echinacities.com
www.craigslist.org (Beijing and Shanghai pages, employment section, education)
www.tes.co.uk
Network Education Solutions and Dipont are recruiters that may have openings for you. |
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weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| El Macho wrote: |
| RonnieColeman wrote: |
| I've recently completed an MA in ELT, have a Trinity TESOL cert and 4 years experience. What could I get? |
What do you want to do with your career? To teach at a JV? To move into management? Whatever you do in China, make sure it's working towards your goals.
I think 15,000/month for 22 teaching hrs/week is pretty bad for someone with an MA and experience. (I got 21k+ for a similar contract w/similar quals & exp.) But if you see this job as leading somewhere you want to go, then good on you. Similarly, if you see this as something that'll get your foot in the door, then great.
If you think teaching K-12 is for you, then your MA by itself is nowhere near as valuable as a teaching credential. Look at Texas or Florida-based online teacher certification programs. Florida has one where your teaching abroad can count as student teaching. Huge ROI from a teaching credential. |
What about years of public school ESL experience with only a bachelors? What kind of wage should you expect? I've always heard the big chains (Disney, etc) pay more than some others, but not as much as some think they should.
So, what kind of wage is good for entering the market? 15,000 with housing or should I ask for 20,000 without it? I think 4 to 6 thousand is necessary for decent unshabby housing in Beijing? Are these higher paying jobs hard to come by? (No Masters or TESOL, but years of experience teaching kids in public schools in SK. I always get good reviews teaching here and get along well with kids.)
Prob hard without being there and hearing of things directly? |
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RonnieColeman
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikeylikesit114 wrote: |
| RonnieColeman wrote: |
| MetaFitX wrote: |
| RonnieColeman wrote: |
Thanks for the advice.
I decided to hold out and keep looking, just a little frustrated that I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. I'm interested in teaching academic English at a University as it will help me out more when I decide to return to the UK to teach. |
Try to find a teaching position at an International Department at a public school in the Beijing or Shanghai area.
20,000+ is quite normal (I personally make a tad over w/ 14 classes a week). Might need to network a bit to find an opportunity at one though. |
I'm guessing those positions are available once you're in China only? I'm gonna keep on looking and hopefully something like that turns up! |
Try the following websites
www.echinacities.com
www.craigslist.org (Beijing and Shanghai pages, employment section, education)
www.tes.co.uk
Network Education Solutions and Dipont are recruiters that may have openings for you. |
Cheers, didn't think to check Craigslist! I'm checking echinacities regularly and signed up with Network Education solutions, so I'm guessing something should turn up in the next few weeks.  |
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