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ExpatLuke
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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:17 am Post subject: 72k per year? |
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| I've been seeing several job advertisements on daves offering between 30k to 72k paid per year. I was wondering how many people actually get the higher paid positions. Is it possible, or is it just something to catch the eye of potential recruits? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| That 72K is possible. It depends on the employer, the teaching situation, job location, the applicant's qualifications, and whether or not allowances are included in the salary. |
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MuscatGary
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| 30k is rubbish, nowhere near enough to justify living in KSA. 72k is ok if you can stand it for a couple of years and save, save, save.... |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| It is possible to get much higher (way higher) than $72K. Depends on your quals, your interview and how good a negotiator you are. Equally knowing your value is a must. Rather than accepting an offer because you consider it a lot of money when you compare it to the position you are currnently in. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Makkah wrote: |
| It is possible to get much higher (way higher) than $72K. Depends on your quals, your interview and how good a negotiator you are. Equally knowing your value is a must. Rather than accepting an offer because you consider it a lot of money when you compare it to the position you are currnently in. |
That's interesting. I had heard the well paying positions were a thing of the past, and the best newbie teachers could find is 30-50k.
As someone who's qualified with TESOL Degree and nearly 5 years of teaching experience, but who has never taught in the ME before... what would I be looking at in terms of negotiating power? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| As someone who's qualified with TESOL Degree and nearly 5 years of teaching experience, but who has never taught in the ME before... what would I be looking at in terms of negotiating power? |
There are no absolutes in KSA. No one can say what employers think you're "realistically" worth---what variables they use to determine salaries. You pretty much have to apply to find out. By the way, in terms of negotiating power, it's usually nonexistent unless you have something major to offer employers. |
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scot47
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If you mean US$72,000 annually, that is only $6000 a month or SR22,500.
If you are paying accommodation flights and health care out of this, it is no big deal.
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fledex
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:58 am Post subject: Re: 72k per year? |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| I've been seeing several job advertisements on daves offering between 30k to 72k paid per year. I was wondering how many people actually get the higher paid positions. Is it possible, or is it just something to catch the eye of potential recruits? |
I'd consider this entire range low if all benefits are included in the calculation. Housing alone should be above the $30K figure if it is a good compound in Jeddah or Riyadh. If talking base salaries only (nothing else included), $72K is maybe a little less than the best I've seen; and, $30K is a lot less than anyone should consider for going to Saudi. Plenty of decent countries will pay that amount. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect that 72K USD position is with Saudi Electric Services Polytechnic (SESP) in Baish, which isn't far from the border with Yemen. |
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coder
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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"until the day of Final Departure"
and beyond. Many of our colleagues in KSA live in the world of Walter Mitty ! |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Makkah wrote: |
| It is possible to get much higher (way higher) than $72K. Depends on your quals, your interview and how good a negotiator you are. Equally knowing your value is a must. Rather than accepting an offer because you consider it a lot of money when you compare it to the position you are currnently in. |
That's interesting. I had heard the well paying positions were a thing of the past, and the best newbie teachers could find is 30-50k.
As someone who's qualified with TESOL Degree and nearly 5 years of teaching experience, but who has never taught in the ME before... what would I be looking at in terms of negotiating power? |
It was my first time here when I came a few years ago. I wouldn't say my quals were anything extraordinary and I guess my position was not critical. However, some organisations may have to tick a box to say they have their quota of teachers - just like the teaching; ticking a box stating that it is done is more important than how it is done. When I was discussing salary they blinked first, but I wasn't willing to back down and I was prepared to walk away. I haven't really looked back since, just keep on earning and investing and doing as good a job as I can. Once I am done, I will move on. I would like to add that I have seen teachers with quals far better than mine get taken apart by students. Some left after a year, some left before their year was up. |
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coder
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ExpatLuke
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I've heard "horror stories" about Saudi students, but I taught them for about a year in the States. Most of the teachers couldn't stand them, but I actually enjoyed teaching them more than the passive Asian students. The classes were more energetic and fun... I had more trouble with the Korean students, tbh.
Anyways, I'm not looking to teach in KSA for more than a year or two. I'd just like to come, teach, and make a decent amount of savings. I'm quite happy living in my little corner of the world in Vietnam, but I'd like to buy a house. So that's why I'm looking into teaching somewhere which can inflate my bank account towards that goal. |
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MuscatGary
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
I've heard "horror stories" about Saudi students, but I taught them for about a year in the States. Most of the teachers couldn't stand them, but I actually enjoyed teaching them more than the passive Asian students. The classes were more energetic and fun... I had more trouble with the Korean students, tbh.
Anyways, I'm not looking to teach in KSA for more than a year or two. I'd just like to come, teach, and make a decent amount of savings. I'm quite happy living in my little corner of the world in Vietnam, but I'd like to buy a house. So that's why I'm looking into teaching somewhere which can inflate my bank account towards that goal. |
In that case YOU decide how much you need to earn and negotiate for that amount. If they say no then move on to the next employer.... |
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