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ESL104
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| Voyeur wrote: |
Despite the technicalities, I believe you are more likely to face more severe consequences if busted teaching on a tourist visa than if you are caught teaching privates on a Z. Teaching on the F Visa might fall somewhere in the middle. Of course that is just my impression.
If you teach on a tourist visa you might do okay so long as you don't keep much money in a local account, where it can be easily confiscated. And live lightly off the land without investing too much in an apartment, furniture, appliances, etc. since you can be deported any time. |
Yeah that would be the idea. Have my Chinese friend wire the money to my home bank account at least weekly, rent a cheap apartment that doesn't require too much in terms of downpayments, and not invest in any expensive items that would be hard to transport in case I was ever given an hour to throw my stuff in a suitcase before I'm marched to the border.
From the research I've done online, and I've been reading a fair bit about this...the potential 'fine' is fairly large (20000 RMB at most) but if you claim you don't have the money to pay it you just get some small amount of detention time instead (like, 10 days or so) then get deported. Now I understand that would totally suck if you had a Chinese wife here, or kids, or you'd bought property here or whatever. But for someone who was only ever coming on a short term basis anyway, it seems on paper at least to be a risk well worth taking...
| 3701 W.119th wrote: |
You can definitely go to HK for your Z Visa, from Shanghai, if you're a UK or USA passport holder (I know 2 teachers personally who did it in late-August. One from Britain, the other from the US).
I wouldn't like to be in that position myself, but it is certainly doable. |
That's good to know - always nice to have options!  |
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Voyeur
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly that would be the best approach to teaching on a tourist visa, if you had to. That being said, China doesn't have the same constitutional niceties some other counties have. I wouldn't bank on necessarily being able to substitute 10 days of jail time for paying a fine if the cops are pretty sure you have the money back home. I have no evidence for this, one way or another, but my gut says you could face serious jail time here if you refused to pay citing inability.
I would never teach on a tourist myself. I'd find a really low-hour Z visa job and then do privates. Again, as with many things in China, it's a lot of supposition, but I'd feel more protected with that residence permit, even if I was doing a lot of privates. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL104 wrote: |
| From the research I've done online, and I've been reading a fair bit about this...the potential 'fine' is fairly large (20000 RMB at most) but if you claim you don't have the money to pay it you just get some small amount of detention time instead (like, 10 days or so) then get deported. Now I understand that would totally suck if you had a Chinese wife here, or kids, or you'd bought property here or whatever. But for someone who was only ever coming on a short term basis anyway, it seems on paper at least to be a risk well worth taking... |
You really think spending ten days in Chinese detention is better than paying up to 2000 RMB for a fine, when you're getting deported either way (in your potential future scenario)? |
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Voyeur
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| 20,000 RMB to be fair. |
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ESL104
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
Certainly that would be the best approach to teaching on a tourist visa, if you had to. That being said, China doesn't have the same constitutional niceties some other counties have. I wouldn't bank on necessarily being able to substitute 10 days of jail time for paying a fine if the cops are pretty sure you have the money back home. I have no evidence for this, one way or another, but my gut says you could face serious jail time here if you refused to pay citing inability.
I would never teach on a tourist myself. I'd find a really low-hour Z visa job and then do privates. Again, as with many things in China, it's a lot of supposition, but I'd feel more protected with that residence permit, even if I was doing a lot of privates. |
I'd prefer a Z visa (and I meet the requirements for one in principle) but the issue for me would come with scheduling. The 16 hour a week uni job is great if all your classes are bunched up, but if they're not it's going to seriously limit your earning potential and you've no way of knowing this until you arrive. I've been looking every day for some part-time hours jobs that offers a Z visa in a big city (i.e. some morning or afternoon kindy outfit that provides work visa), but none of them do - I guess it's not worth the costs of the Z visa to employ someone on that few hours.
I know there was a big crackdown last year, but from reading newspapers it still seems like the total deported was 'only' a couple of thousand over the course of a year. How many foreign teachers are there in China? The odds do seem in your favour if you just do it for a year or so.
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| You really think spending ten days in Chinese detention is better than paying up to 2000 RMB for a fine, when you're getting deported either way (in your potential future scenario)? |
20,000 RMB and yeah I'd do 10 days of jail time over paying that amount.
Though it's worth pointing out even if you did opt to pay the fine - providing you 'got away' with it for a few months, that 20,000 would be easily recouped because of your superior ability to block classes together and thus get more money per month, as well as not paying any tax on any income. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
| 20,000 RMB to be fair. |
I stand corrected. One '0" does make a pretty big difference there. Enjoy your time in the pokey then! |
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