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mateacher



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go for the MA TESOL if you want personally if I was in my mid-forties I wouldn't bother. You have another 20 years of working left. It will take you at least a year to do one and if you take a year out at your age, think of the loss of income. Then you need at least 3 years as a part timer to get a full-time job. You will be on a contract of 4-5 years at 6 million. So that will take you up to mid 50s. By that time you will need a PhD to get a full time job as the PhD TESOL will be the new MA TESOL.
You may all laugh about my antiques and my lifestyle, but I am sure you envy it. The only fact that you find it funny is you have little chance of living like I do. I also find it funny there isn't one person, who says "well done, great job, you are a success". The only people who say so are my family, even my friends are rather jealous. As I said I didn't start buying antiques for material gain, I had a passion for them passed down from generation to generation and like all passions I enjoy talking about them and showing them off. Do you think people buy antiques just to stare at them? and examine them? hell no. People buy them to show off in a classy way, although I would never tell me my real circle of friends and colleagues that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who are interested when I am in London I often buy Oriental Antiques from this shop, they are small, I can carry them in my hang luggage and they are very high end. Expensive, but hold their value and are really beautiful.
http://richardpetersantiques.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
I also find it funny there isn't one person, who says "well done, great job, you are a success".

I won't tell you that, but I will tell you "good job in achieving what you wanted". Success is too subjective, and your life might not be described as "success" by others, and you would likely not call their lives a "success" either. Anyone who is happy with their life (regardless of antiques, cars, and second homes) is successful in my book.

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Do you think people buy antiques just to stare at them? and examine them? hell no. People buy them to show off in a classy way, although I would never tell me my real circle of friends and colleagues that.

Again, I think you are extrapolating your beliefs and experiences onto others. I buy antiques (though probably not as much as you), and I do buy them to understand and appreciate their history, rather than to "show them off in a classy way" to others.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I also love the story behind every piece and love telling the stories behind each piece to interested people. I also appreciate the pursuit and discovery of something old that brings me closer to the past. I feel there is nothing more exciting than waking up early on a summer morning and going to Le Marche’ aux Puces or Porta Portunese or even Bermondsey while the air is still fresh on a modern day treasure hunt. When I left Korea and brought back a lot of Oriental Antiques and the people who now visit my house are very impressed. Although unfortunately I know little of the story behind these Oriental pieces they are of rare beauty. I would classify myself as a serious collector who looks for the monetary and historical value in antiques, rather than trends although I only buy pieces that I truly like and feel will look good in my home. I hope to pass down my knowledge to my children, but they seem to have little interest at their age. Whenever guests come to my house we spend the first hour walking around the drawing room and hallway sipping champagne while I explain certain pieces, how I acquired them and their historical significance. As we don't have time machines, finding and keep traces is history is our way of looking into the past.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not so much a reply to matecaher as to anybody else reading this, but after starting an MA/Credential program leading to secondary English teaching in international schools, I realized that I honestly did not want to teach that subject to that age group, and I was only really looking at the bottom line down the road.

I switched gears and am much happier for it. It will take me three years to finish the MA, but I am not in a hurry. I live in a place I want to live right now, am learning about things I want to know right now, am working with students I want to work with right now, and am enjoying the process. I enjoy school, and see no need to rush through it. I will be getting a couple years' EAP experience while I do this starting next year, which seems wise for the long term. I am indeed getting older, but process orientation and being able to live an enjoyable life in the present are far more important to me than goal-orientation and dues paying to potentially be doing something down the road that I do not want to be doing. I probably won't ever get a doctorate, but I will keep upgrading my credentials, and very likely get a second MA. Health permitting, I plan to keep working until at least 70, and I am sure my jobs will morph organically as I move along this path.

I may not go back to Japan, certainly not for the long haul, but am open to 2-3 years immediately post-MA. That would hopefully be dues paying that is also enjoyable, as I love Japan.

I am not looking for advice, atm.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
go for the MA TESOL if you want personally if I was in my mid-forties I wouldn't bother. You have another 20 years of working left. It will take you at least a year to do one and if you take a year out at your age, think of the loss of income. Then you need at least 3 years as a part timer to get a full-time job. You will be on a contract of 4-5 years at 6 million. So that will take you up to mid 50s. By that time you will need a PhD to get a full time job as the PhD TESOL will be the new MA TESOL.
You may all laugh about my antiques and my lifestyle, but I am sure you envy it. The only fact that you find it funny is you have little chance of living like I do. I also find it funny there isn't one person, who says "well done, great job, you are a success". The only people who say so are my family, even my friends are rather jealous. As I said I didn't start buying antiques for material gain, I had a passion for them passed down from generation to generation and like all passions I enjoy talking about them and showing them off. Do you think people buy antiques just to stare at them? and examine them? hell no. People buy them to show off in a classy way, although I would never tell me my real circle of friends and colleagues that.


"Anyway, I find my desire to grab for the gaudy bauble has been largely sated. I think this is an attitude I share with the very wealthy—we both know there is plenty more where what we have came from. Between us are the rat-race millions who have confounded their selves with the objects they grasp and who nightly scavenge the cable channels looking for they know not what.

I am sorry for them." -Lars Eighner

Not sure if you find any value in this quote, mateacher, but FWIW.

It might be time to consider why people seek others' approval so strongly, in spite of it being withheld both online and in real life. Try not to lose sight of what truly inspires you to be a better person and helps you be fulfilled.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't listen to these guys, they're clearly jealous. There's absolutely no other reason they'd be so hostile towards you, as all you've done is be polite, caring and tried to share your vast knowledge with us. I think the most amazing thing about your incredible journey is that despite all of your huge sucesses and vast quantities of wealth, you have managed to stay incredibly humble about it all.

Tell me more about your antiques, do you have any Japanese ones?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
My wife is a socialite, so we unfortunately have a lot of dinner parties and my antiques for great conversation starters and have impressed a lot of people. From blue collar workers such as plumbers or electricians who have repaired things, to the social elite, they kind of transcend all socioeconomic and ethnic groups and people who have stepped into my entrance hall have only had good things to say. .


I'm so glad you have been able to provide such plebians a glimmer of the opulent life they could be leading if only they had moved from a Korean university none of them have heard of straight to a tenured job at a top class university.

Your success truly should be celebrated.

I'm really interested in your work and research. Where can I find the myriad of publications and/or books you must have? I'd love to read them! Please, share more than just your vast knowledge of antiques and the finer things in life. This is an ESL website, after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
Whenever guests come to my house we spend the first hour walking around the drawing room and hallway sipping champagne while I explain certain pieces, how I acquired them and their historical significance. As we don't have time machines, finding and keep traces is history is our way of looking into the past.


This. More of this please! I can only imagine how these lucky folks must feel.

I'm so jealous! Have you ever thought about opening up your manse for private tours and lectures? If so, count me in!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmatt wrote:
mateacher wrote:
My wife is a socialite, so we unfortunately have a lot of dinner parties and my antiques for great conversation starters and have impressed a lot of people. From blue collar workers such as plumbers or electricians who have repaired things, to the social elite, they kind of transcend all socioeconomic and ethnic groups and people who have stepped into my entrance hall have only had good things to say. .


I'm so glad you have been able to provide such plebians a glimmer of the opulent life they could be leading if only they had moved from a Korean university none of them have heard of straight to a tenured job at a top class university.

Your success truly should be celebrated.

I'm really interested in your work and research. Where can I find the myriad of publications and/or books you must have? I'd love to read them! Please, share more than just your vast knowledge of antiques and the finer things in life. This is an ESL website, after all.


It's not the fact that moving from a Korean university to one in the US has provided me with a middle-class lifestyle. I have already explained how I accumulated my wealth. By getting into the ESL racket early profiting from a strong yen and making solid and sound investments coupled with inheriting and marriage. I already explained how I did a PhD in the states and wrote my dissertation while working at a university in Korea. I never said I was at an Ivy league university in the States, I said I was at a good university. I had all these things before moving back to the states. I had people living in my house in the states, paying my housing loan for me, same in Japan. The university in Korea provided a rent-free 3 bedroom apartment. My research is in Lit, same a my PhD (my PhD is not in TESOL). I never bragged about my publications as most are in second tier journals. Since finishing the PhD I have not published anything as I started a new job and have found it difficult to adjust after teaching in EFL environments for 20 odd years. All my publications and presentations were done while working in Japan through the usual avenues, some in Korea in the 1st, 2nd and even online EFL journals. As most of you do or don't know its not the quality of publications and presentations that matter, but the number. I have a lot due to doing around 3 publications per year and around 2 international conferences. In Japan I had a research budget that had to be used if you wanted the money so what better way than to travel and stay in nice hotels and build up your cv. I think I already explained that I got the job in the US through contacts, having international experience, schmoozing and ass kissing the right people and having lots of experience teaching at universities as well as having a strong balanced CV. Book?? I have never bothered writing or would write a book, why bother if three 3000 word journals count the same. You guys have a lot to learn and I am glad to help.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmatt wrote:
mateacher wrote:
Whenever guests come to my house we spend the first hour walking around the drawing room and hallway sipping champagne while I explain certain pieces, how I acquired them and their historical significance. As we don't have time machines, finding and keep traces is history is our way of looking into the past.


This. More of this please! I can only imagine how these lucky folks must feel.

I'm so jealous! Have you ever thought about opening up your manse for private tours and lectures? If so, count me in!


I don't live in a mansion far from it. I have a modest 4 bedroom 3 bathroom wooden Colonial Revival style house. The opulent aspect is its swimming pool and tennis court. It is in the suburbs and all my neighbors have similar facilities.
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nightsintodreams wrote:
Don't listen to these guys, they're clearly jealous. There's absolutely no other reason they'd be so hostile towards you, as all you've done is be polite, caring and tried to share your vast knowledge with us. I think the most amazing thing about your incredible journey is that despite all of your huge sucesses and vast quantities of wealth, you have managed to stay incredibly humble about it all.

Tell me more about your antiques, do you have any Japanese ones?


Thank you. At least one person is not jealous and can accept that one can be successful or could be successful from TESOL. Yes, I have Japanese antiques although I was much younger in Japan and had less of an interest. I did pass by the odd Second hand store in Izu when I vacationed there in the summer. I would pick up things such as stuffed birds, vases, prints all at really good prices. But you need to have an eye for things as there are lots of grotty objects and badly restored pieces of junk at the second hand stores. If you know what to find I would say it is the best way of finding antiques in Japan without getting ripped off.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateacher wrote:
nightsintodreams wrote:
Don't listen to these guys, they're clearly jealous. There's absolutely no other reason they'd be so hostile towards you, as all you've done is be polite, caring and tried to share your vast knowledge with us. I think the most amazing thing about your incredible journey is that despite all of your huge sucesses and vast quantities of wealth, you have managed to stay incredibly humble about it all.

Tell me more about your antiques, do you have any Japanese ones?


Thank you. At least one person is not jealous and can accept that one can be successful or could be successful from TESOL. Yes, I have Japanese antiques although I was much younger in Japan and had less of an interest. I did pass by the odd Second hand store in Izu when I vacationed there in the summer. I would pick up things such as stuffed birds, vases, prints all at really good prices. But you need to have an eye for things as there are lots of grotty objects and badly restored pieces of junk at the second hand stores. If you know what to find I would say it is the best way of finding antiques in Japan without getting ripped off.


You honestly don't get this, do you?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno what you're talking about Matoshi, stop hating and you might actually learn something.

Thanks for your advice about antiques in Japan, all I have to show guests at the moment is my mouldy old futon in the corner of my Leo Palace. As you can imagine it's not the greatest of conversation starters, I'd take your advice regarding talking about the history of an item, but I found it at the gomi station three years ago so I can only speculate on it's origins.

I'm saving up though, I'll keep a look out for antiques in the future. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
I dunno what you're talking about Matoshi, stop hating and you might actually learn something.

Thanks for your advice about antiques in Japan, all I have to show guests at the moment is a moldy old futon in the corner of my Leo Palace. As you can imagine it's not the greatest of conversation starters, I'd take your advice regarding talking about the history of an item, but I found it at the gomi station three years ago so I can only speculate on it's origins.

I'm saving up though, I'll keep a look out for antiques in the future. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated.


You're right, Nights, I will henceforth mend my ways.

I sincerely apologize if I appeared to be hating on antique lovers, as my own mother is also an avid collector. She also appreciates that they don't lose value and sometimes go up in value, so long as their condition is maintained.

That being said, I'm a bit of a minimalist, so I prefer empty and undecorated rooms. Perhaps this is an overcompensation for my youth, when many a shin was bruised against pieces in my mother's collection. And don't get me started on the afternoons spent antiquing during our family vacations, during which I only longed to get back to playing video games and watching television.

I may, in fact, have a deep-seated aversion to all things antique. Thusly is an antique-hater born.
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