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None of Your Business; I'm My Own Trade Secret! |
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Tasks? I Use a Different Means to Solicit and Measure Speech |
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"High Stakes" Exams Are for Grandpa! My Measures Are Continuous |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: Oral English Assessments in the Classroom |
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An "Oral English" class in China most often refers to a university program, while assessments in language schools typically purchase a curriculum with assessments included. One reason a foreign expert in a university position is so called is because they assess their own students with an evaluation of their own design.
How many tasks comprise an assessment in your class/program? I'm finding most are a guided conversation, i.e., the choice of a topic followed by questions and answers. I define that as a single task, typically scored with a rubric(s), where the teacher's training and experience determines their choice among many.
I was surprised a convention is teachers assess their own students. What controls for bias do you observe, if any? It's often the case a teacher, alone, conducts and scores their assessment. Some teachers make recordings to reduce the distractions (to both parties) of simultaneous scoring and some don't. |
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jm21
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 406
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:36 am Post subject: |
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The oral English classes are every other week here, so 9 classes total. About 50 students. It basically takes 2.5 classes to explain and perform an oral assessment. I think it is pretty bad to spend almost 1/3 of the total class time on testing, so I would go more towards participation and grading small tasks as you go. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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jm21 wrote: |
It basically takes 2.5 classes to explain and perform an oral assessment. |
Thanks for the reply. But how many tasks do you use for an assessment? I come across few teachers using more than a guided discussion. That's why I made the poll. |
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BleedingBlue
Joined: 22 Oct 2014 Posts: 87
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I have a rather complex evaluation system consisting of ten items. The OP is very unclear, random, and doesn't make sense in comparison to the poorly created poll. Adding 3 extra choices that are sarcastic and have nothing to do really with the issue at hand. Please evaluate your original message and be clear about what you are begging for; random, just want to know something or are you simply concealing your desire for someone to give you their evaluation system so you don't have to create one for yourself? |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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BleedingBlue wrote: |
I have a rather complex evaluation system consisting of ten items. |
Well, "items" are not necessarily discrete tasks, but it's an answer: Ten. What's unclear? I'll adjust the poll to 5+. Thanks for the feedback.
I'm not fishing for an "evaluation system". Sounds like corporate-speak to me. My education involved instruments of measure and their design. I collaboratively develop them to suit what constraints are imposed, and coordinate procedures to source and edit their expressions/structure.
There's no sarcasm to the poll. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: |
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How about criteria?
Are you a teacher? |
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jm21
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 406
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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buravirgil wrote: |
jm21 wrote: |
It basically takes 2.5 classes to explain and perform an oral assessment. |
Thanks for the reply. But how many tasks do you use for an assessment? I come across few teachers using more than a guided discussion. That's why I made the poll. |
I don't teach oral English right now and would revamp my system depending on how much time I have with the students and the class size. If I have a class of 15 students who I meet for 2 hours every week my grading system would be much different than if I had classes of 50 students who I meet every other week. It also depends on what requirements the school has. For oral English at a uni I would grade much more heavily on participation and give them 3-4 graded exercises (a speech, a dialogue, some listening quizzes, etc. ).
Most of the teachers at my school use 2 tasks + participation. A speech and an oral exam. The school requires a separate score for paticipation, homework, and a final exam.
For my public speaking class I was hoping to do 4 or so different types of speeches but for the first half of the semester the school kept switching atudents around, making it impossible to assign homework or give grades. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Bud Powell wrote: |
How about criteria? |
You'll have to be more specific. I mean, I realize you're asserting without criteria, you don't believe the poll can be answered, but without resorting to personal insults, I recognize your experience and value your response. We'll see if you can be as respectful, as I've been a teacher since 1990.
I know we both work university jobs and you're well aware of what Oral English classes entail. I've only been in China a year, but read what I can and was surprised that (other than participation marks) many teachers only assess a guided discussion for an end-of-term assessment.
I've been in a position to evaluate teachers for an "exam team" to collaborate on a speech measure and began with a simple question: How would you solicit speech for measure? By and large, the response was: Conversation, but that was all.
I'm not asking for any description of tasks and, as best I can tell, believe your question of "criteria" relates to discriminators and their organization with a rubric. But don't know for sure. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:42 am Post subject: |
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jm21 wrote: |
Most of the teachers at my school use 2 tasks + participation. A speech and an oral exam. The school requires a separate score for paticipation, homework, and a final exam. |
Thanks for the follow-up. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am required to assess the semester's work by allocating 60 percent to classwork and the remaining 40 percent to the end of semester speaking task.
This means starting recording student effort as soon as possible - ideally from Week 1 or 2.
I've put my vote to the continuous option for that reason.
There is a free download of a student assessment slip on the thread currently running on classroom resources. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Non Sequitur wrote: |
I am required to assess the semester's work by allocating 60 percent to classwork and the remaining 40 percent to the end of semester speaking task. |
Thanks for the reply. Nearly the same for me, but reversed: Sixty percent exam, forty participation. If you care to answer, I'm wondering about the "end of semester speaking task". Is it a single task? Or are there components? And if so, how many?
Nearly everyone has read the poll as a means to solicit forum members for "how they evaluate", but it wasn't my intent. I think I was too specific. |
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Guerciotti

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 842 Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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OP, thanks for this post. It is good food for thought. Nutritious, you might say. Delicious? No, now I've gone too far.
I conduct the mandatory exams when required, but my assessment weighs ongoing improvement and the completion of more than a few tasks during the course of the term or semester more heavily than the exam. During exam season students are focused on their 'real' exams. I would rather (hopefully) elicit effort, excellence, and improvement during the semester when they're not distracted.
My end of semester exam is one task. I think most schools don't give enough time for more than one. In my opinion, allocating two class periods for oral assessment of thirty students allows for just one task.
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:15 am Post subject: |
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buravirgil wrote: |
Non Sequitur wrote: |
I am required to assess the semester's work by allocating 60 percent to classwork and the remaining 40 percent to the end of semester speaking task. |
Thanks for the reply. Nearly the same for me, but reversed: Sixty percent exam, forty participation. If you care to answer, I'm wondering about the "end of semester speaking task". Is it a single task? Or are there components? And if so, how many?
Nearly everyone has read the poll as a means to solicit forum members for "how they evaluate", but it wasn't my intent. I think I was too specific. |
Firstly thanks for originating a thread on actual classroom practice.
To put it into context I have a textbook of sorts and I get students in pairs or trios to read the dialogues. All students must do these and I select at random using my marking slips. I record a general impression of their fluency and look for an improvement week to week.
In no way are students originating speech, just gaining confidence.
About halfway through the semester I set a speaking task and students form their own groups to perform.
I set three open ended topics - one sports, one fashion and one neutral and the students can choose which one they do.
In the mid semester students can read their parts or not - their choice.
The final is the same format but NO NOTES OF ANY KIND.
The mid semester is performed in class, but for the final we go into the corridor. This gives me a chance to talk to the students in their pairs or trios and thank them for their efforts (if appropriate) during the semester.
As I teach 5 freshmen classes of the same major, I compare the best 4 or 5 students in each class with each other.
This way the marks are aligned across 5 classes.
The big drawback for me is the school requirement to mark in percentages, rather than A B C etc.
Oral is too subjective for percentages. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply and good will.
Guerciotti wrote: |
I conduct the mandatory exams when required, but my assessment weighs ongoing improvement and the completion of more than a few tasks during the course of the term or semester more heavily than the exam. During exam season students are focused on their 'real' exams. I would rather (hopefully) elicit effort, excellence, and improvement during the semester when they're not distracted. |
Is very sensible and practical to me. I fail to continuously assess as much as I know is possible. Students expressed apprehension about assessment in the first week because past experience with foreign teachers had resulted in unexpected grades. I'm something of a "black box" to them. My solution has been to demonstrate it and emphasize participation in class is its best practice because it's a reflection of class activity. I use four tasks (or prompts, or inputs) to elicit speech:1. Aural (of progressive difficulty) "Repeat after me";
2. Images "Tell me what you see";
3. Print (of progressive difficulty) "Read these sentences"; and,
4. Guided Conversation "Talk to me" I apply five rubrics.Tasks 1 & 3: Fluency (hesitations), Pronunciation (articulation of syllables), and Completion.
Tasks 2 & 4: Fluency, Pronunciation, Vocabulary, and Comprehensibility. Average time is seven minutes per student, which is too brief, but time is a "constraint" (I like to term it) imposed by the institution. I'm satisfied with the distribution of scores and its results met the students' expectations and peer perceptions of performance.
When I was surveying (ERIC, Canadian Advisory Group, IELTS, Cambridge and TOEFL) I came across some interesting tasks, such as describing an activity, relating responses to an imagined emergency, sequencing (such as cooking), and persuading for change in some policy.
It's an instrument designed for mixed-ability (low to middling) and over-crowded classes. I like your solution of measures integrated into class activity more.  |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the follow-up Non Sequitur. I think your class is more fun than mine and addresses the performance anxiety that's rooted in the scholastic traditions of China. I was surprised it's typical for a student to stand when asked to read. Notions of what's communicative and how focus is transferred are (compared to the west) nearly ritual. Yet human nature tends toward banter and quick exchange and your method would seem to bridge the differences. |
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