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True Blue
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Banner41
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Or don't click another link from someone who keeps getting banned and then creates new aliases only to spam the same links the other accounts were banned over. |
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True Blue
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| You have your wires crossed Banner. I just searched the entire Eslcafe.com site for this yahoo link and it has not been posted anywhere else. If I am wrong, please post the link. Whatever hair you have up your butt, please redirect your emotions to the proper party. |
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ESL104
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Are you free to return to the US?
'Indiana wants me..' and all that. |
I'm a UK national not a US one, but yes I'm free to return to the UK anytime I like (and visit the US for that matter!).
The issue is more along the lines that it'll cost 3500rmb to get a flight home from Bangkok, another 4000rmb to fly to China, around 5000rmb to stay in the UK for a month (and that's assuming I sleep on a friends sofa...),probably a few thousand for the medical check and police clearance certificate, and there's the opportunity cost of not working for a month. That easily tots up to over 20000rmb which is only what the maximum fine is to begin with (and you probably won't get hit with the maximum either. Hell, you probably won't even get caught...). |
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water rat
Joined: 30 Aug 2014
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Location: North Antarctica
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
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Are you free to return to the US?
'Indiana wants me..' and all that. |
I'm a UK national not a US one, but yes I'm free to return to the UK anytime I like (and visit the US for that matter!).
The issue is more along the lines that it'll cost 3500rmb to get a flight home from Bangkok, another 4000rmb to fly to China, around 5000rmb to stay in the UK for a month (and that's assuming I sleep on a friends sofa...),probably a few thousand for the medical check and police clearance certificate, and there's the opportunity cost of not working for a month. That easily tots up to over 20000rmb which is only what the maximum fine is to begin with (and you probably won't get hit with the maximum either. Hell, you probably won't even get caught...). |
Since you've put it that way... Twice from a Southeast Asian country and from an African country I have been able to obtain a Z visa from the Chinese Embassy in these countries. No doubt, Bangkok has a Chinese Embassy. I gather you are wary about your potential employer, but that's a gamble we all have to take. Do your research, talk to a former foreign teacher or two, and stake your claim. The school will send you all the paperwork you need. Some friend in your home country can help you with the rap sheet business. If they have to scan a document from your City Hall, so you can sign it and send it back, and then they have to FedEx you the genuine document Chinese Immigration requires, well, that's still cheaper than going home yourself. As for the medical check. I took one in that SE Asian country at some expense. My employers said I had to in order to get the visa. Then when I arrived in China, I had to take a whole nother exam (at their expense) because the one abroad didn't count. So if you can nail that particular jello to the tree, you may not need to get a physical until you are in China.
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013
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Location: Flying around the ME...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Why does a criminal think he has the right to teach? |
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Lol.
Ever download any music or movies online? Yes, but only when I've paid for them.
Ever do a private you didn't pay taxes for? No, I don't do privates as I get paid enough not to work outside of my hours.
Ever do any cash in hand job in your life? No.
Ever have an alcoholic drink before you were 18 (or 21 in some countries)? Yes, at home with my parents consent. It's legal.
Ever have sex when you were underage? Not to my knowledge.
Ever hired a scooter for the week abroad when you didn't have your international driving licence and in some cases foreign country driving licence? I've never hired a scooter anywhere.
When someone gives you too much change do you always correct them? Every time? If I notice it then yes. I wouldn't want the barstaff to have to make up the difference out of their pay.
Ever come back to your uni accomodation after 11pm, in violation of the curfew (and thus the contract)? I would never take a job that treated me like a child and dictated when and where I could go so the answer is no.
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I take it no one actually knows the answer to my question then? And would instead prefer to continue to tell me how I should pay around 20000rmb to get a visa when the maximum fine for not having a visa is only 20000rmb anyway? |
You clearly have no ethics or morals and should not be allowed to teach. |
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Non Sequitur
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Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| ESL104 wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
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Are you free to return to the US?
'Indiana wants me..' and all that. |
I'm a UK national not a US one, but yes I'm free to return to the UK anytime I like (and visit the US for that matter!).
The issue is more along the lines that it'll cost 3500rmb to get a flight home from Bangkok, another 4000rmb to fly to China, around 5000rmb to stay in the UK for a month (and that's assuming I sleep on a friends sofa...),probably a few thousand for the medical check and police clearance certificate, and there's the opportunity cost of not working for a month. That easily tots up to over 20000rmb which is only what the maximum fine is to begin with (and you probably won't get hit with the maximum either. Hell, you probably won't even get caught...). |
Sorry finger trouble US/UK.
Do post on how you get on. |
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asiannationmc
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| Sorry finger trouble US/UK. |
Seems a lot of FT's have finger pointing syndrome on this board. |
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ESL104
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Ever have an alcoholic drink before you were 18 (or 21 in some countries)? Yes, at home with my parents consent. It's legal.
Ever have sex when you were underage? Not to my knowledge.
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Guess I can see why you're in the Middle East! 
You heard it here first guys, working a private or downloading some music off thepiratebay means you have no ethics or morals.
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| Since you've put it that way... Twice from a Southeast Asian country and from an African country I have been able to obtain a Z visa from the Chinese Embassy in these countries. No doubt, Bangkok has a Chinese Embassy. I gather you are wary about your potential employer, but that's a gamble we all have to take. Do your research, talk to a former foreign teacher or two, and stake your claim. The school will send you all the paperwork you need. iSomeone in your home country can help you with the rap sheet business. If they have to scan a document frm your City Hall, so you can sign it and send it back, and then they have to FedEx you the genuine document Chinese Immigration requires, well, that's still cheaper than going home yourself. As for the medical check. I took one in that SE Asan country at some expense. My employers said I had to in order to get the visa. Then when I arrived in China, I had to take a whole nother exam (at their expense) because the one abroad didn't count. So if you can nail that particular jello to the tree, you may not need to get a physical until you are in China. |
It does have a Chinese embassy but from what I've heard on here you normally need to fly home anyway to get the proper visa.
Anyone had any luck with posting their passport back home and getting their friend or family member to apply on their behalf? Might be an option if they send the papers to Thailand, then I post them all (along with the medical) to the UK, get a family member to apply for the CRB check and then sendthe packge to the consulate.
Yes before anyone points it out, I'm aware that being without your passport in a foreign country is also 'illegal', and therefore I'm going to roast in hell when I die alongside Hitler, Pol Pot, and all those others who committed crimes against humanity like working on the wrong visa.  |
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MuscatGary
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Location: Flying around the ME...
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Ever have an alcoholic drink before you were 18 (or 21 in some countries)? Yes, at home with my parents consent. It's legal.
Ever have sex when you were underage? Not to my knowledge.
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Guess I can see why you're in the Middle East! Meaning what exactly?
You heard it here first guys, working a private or downloading some music off thepiratebay means you have no ethics or morals. |
Actually you chose those activities but the reason I'm saying you have no ethics or morals is because you are deliberately setting out to break the law of a sovereign state. |
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ESL104
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Meaning what exactly?
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Meaning most people's aversion to the Middle East is because you can't drink any alcohol or have any contact with a girl. But hey, if you never had a drop of alcohol outside of the watchful eye of your parents before you were 18 or 21, I guess such things hold lesser importance for you...
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Actually you chose those activities but the reason I'm saying you have no ethics or morals is because you are deliberately setting out to break the law of a sovereign state. |
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The guy who downloads music online deliberately sets out to break the law of a sovereign state too.
Although your response was entirely predictable and almost certainly you're lying because it's convenient to your argument to do so - 99% of people break the law each and every year. People do stuff like download music, have a drink when they're 17, and drive 35mph in a 30mph zone. If they all have no ethics, well, I guess they're free to call you uptight and boring as well. |
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asiannationmc
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| You heard it here first guys, working a private or downloading some music off thepiratebay means you have no ethics or morals. |
I think we heard it first from metallica.
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| Although your response was entirely predictable and almost certainly you're lying because it's convenient to your argument to do so - 99% of people break the law each and every year. |
This 99% figure sounds convenient to support your assertion. Is it true? |
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ESL104
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Well, I sure don't personally know a single person who has *never* broken the law, using the absolute strict definition of the term.
If you pick up a quarter on the sidewalk, and you're a US citizen, you're supposed to include it in your tax return. Pretty sure 99% of people have picked up money off the street in the past, and 100% of those will not have declared it on their tax forms.
Anyone who owns a car over a week has, at some point, broken the speed limit. Even if it's just a couple of miles an hour over and the road was completely empty of all traffic.
Between those two and the downloading music/underage sex and drinking criteria, I'd bet my life on it I've got well over 99% of the population covered. |
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water rat
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Well, I sure don't personally know a single person who has *never* broken the law, using the absolute strict definition of the term.
If you pick up a quarter on the sidewalk, and you're a US citizen, you're supposed to include it in your tax return. Pretty sure 99% of people have picked up money off the street in the past, and 100% of those will not have declared it on their tax forms.
Anyone who owns a car over a week has, at some point, broken the speed limit. Even if it's just a couple of miles an hour over and the road was completely empty of all traffic.
Between those two and the downloading music/underage sex and drinking criteria, I'd bet my life on it I've got well over 99% of the population covered. |
There are laws, either moral or legal, and then there are laws - in terms of how they hurt others. Then there are laws that there will be hell to pay if you're caught breaking them whether they are terribly immoral, illegal or hurtful to others or not. If you get caught in China working without the proper visa you could end up doing jail time or getting deported and banned for some years, which is shameful no matter what you may think - everyone else you know will think it shameful and look down on you for it. So it doesn't matter at all if you think it is a small thing to have the wrong visa. Who cares what you or I think? The fact is the authorities may throw you in prison. So it's your choice. Either spend the extra time, money and effort to get a proper visa, and be done with it. Forget the whole thing. Don't come to China at all. I've never been to prison or jail, but I can imagine few worse things. I never want to be behind bars, and I am going to guess that you don't either. So why argue? Be legal or be gone. |
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litterascriptor
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I worked on a tourist visa before but I went to Hong Kong every month to get it sorted out.
I had a teacher who I managed who was on a tourist visa. He too went to Hong Kong every month or Beijing where he could get visa extensions.
Finally he some how got an f-visa that allowed him to hang around for 3 months before having to get out of the country, which worked better.
I'd suggest looking into the f-visa, they can be costly, but then so can the hassle of getting an extension for an l-visa or having to do repeated runs to Hong Kong. |
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