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Otterman Ollie
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 Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: Mr Erdogan said |
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Something less than positive about the female place in society.
Does anybody outside Turkey even know who this guy is?
Come to think of it, is there anybody on this forum aware of who he is? |
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Mushkilla
Joined: 17 Apr 2014
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes I know this guy, he is my friend. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| We can learn much of an individual by the company he keeps. |
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Dedicated
Joined: 18 May 2007
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Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Most people in the UK have heard of Erdogan since the BBC reported his 1,000 room palace, Ak Saray, which is costing double the original 385 million pounds.
The monthly electricity bill alone, paid by taxpayers, will cost about 200,000 pounds. Each tree in the garden flown in from Italy, costs more than $5,000.
We are waiting for pictures in 'Hello" magazine...... |
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Mushkilla
Joined: 17 Apr 2014
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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“No one can prevent the completion of this building. If they are powerful enough, let them come and demolish it.” - Mr Erdogan.
Indeed my friend Mr Erdogan, no one can prevent the completion of the presidential palace. Let them eat themselves because of jealousy.  |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Kick Turkey out of NATO. |
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sixthchild
Joined: 18 Apr 2012
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Location: East of Eden
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Do I detect a healthy chunk of pro-Turkey sentiment here?
Maybe they should leave Nato and join the islamic state, according to the majority of posters here thats where they belong. Personally I disagree. |
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Mushkilla
Joined: 17 Apr 2014
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| Kick Turkey out of NATO. |
For the Middle East conflicts, NATO is useless without the contribution of Turkey. Cowboys style will not solve the problems of the Middle East.
Learn from history. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| Mushkilla wrote: |
| Learn from history. |
I agree Turkey is necessary to NATO, but am exhausted by socially conservative overtures made to suit a frustrated cadre of religious leaders seeking petty, despotic claims about their own particular tribes and an assured place in an after-life. Righteouness knows no bounds. No matter how righteous one clan claims itself, another is quick to compete and it never ends. Erdogan is placating some gender-obsessed reasoning amid terrible violence and does so because his border has held. The sexism of his remarks is bored, complacent and disappointing.
The default position of too many is any violence in the middle-east is (1) Nobody's business but Arabs; (2) Likely fomented by western investors. It's a circular reasoning and the use of a trope like "cowboys" is simple ignorance. Syria will plunge too much of the middle-east into an economy so regressive its leaders will be begging for Chinese language lessons within half a century and then for two centuries more.
Cowboy?...yeah, not a real answer. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Optimists learn Russian. Pessimists learn Mandarin. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Optimists learn Russian. Pessimists learn Mandarin. |
I suppose I 'grok' the idea, but don't have a reference. Except for, of course now, Scot47 on The ESL Cafe.
Russia's growth is sufficiently volatile to require an old fashioned acquisition: It's an odd desperation given this day and age of global limited liability. China's growth may suffer bubbles and grapple with externalities, but its growth is inevitable because consumerism is deemed a good, and its success is closely watched by India. All of this finds contrast in Russia and the middle-east where violence is tolerated as solution. During the 2008 meltdown, Turkey was an exception. Investment and growth continued there, but that trend is threatened and Erdogan's complacency (though typical of a leader with brimming coffers) has demonstrated a prejudice that will stall true development: The failure to recognize women as something more than property or wards.
Russia's failure is difficult to simplify, but the middle-east's issues with development (and cyclical ceding into violence) remain anchored in its religiosity. |
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Mushkilla
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| Russia's failure is difficult to simplify, but the middle-east's issues with development (and cyclical ceding into violence) remain anchored in its religiosity. |
Russia's capitalism is strong, and Putin's authoritarianism is weak.
Communism and Putinism will fail in Russia in the long term .. and Sasha will need to change camp before it is too late! 
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| Optimists learn Russian. Pessimists learn Mandarin. |
Only a Sovietologist believes in the above poem!
The Russian is dead and dying language.
Optimists these days learn English, pessimists learn Chinese, but realists learn how to operate an AK-47. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Erdogan is walking the wrong side of the civilized line. |
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Sashadroogie
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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The camps are big enough for all offenders, boys and girls...
Getting bigger every day too : ) |
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Mushkilla
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