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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 71
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:53 am Post subject: 10 Red Flags Of ESL Recruiter Fraud In China... |
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I personally was lucky to get a fairly decent recruiter whose sins were limited to bringing me to China on an F visa, a trick that doesn't work any longer. But I just pulled this out of my inbox from a colleague which I thought is worth sharing with uni grads with an eye on teaching ESL in China.
"When I read this I got immediate flashbacks to some bad memories when I first came to teach my first gig in China 8 years ago. I would have paid $100 for this info bag then. The only thing different today is that the scam artists are not 100% Chinese - maybe only 50%. This is one post you should probably share with all of your friends and teacher colleagues planning on coming to China soon...
SPOTTING THE BAD APPLES BEFORE EATING ONE:
Put your recruiter to the smell test with these 10 Red Flags that indicate they are not to be trusted and are probably a shady unlicensed China job agent or worse still, an identity thief...
1. They cannot provide you a scan (not a photo) of their SAIC license issued by the Chinese government
2. They refuse to provide you their street address or a land line telephone number that can be traced in the event of a problem
3. They refuse to provide you a scan of their passport and/or government ID card that provides their real and full legal names - yet they demand that you send your passport scan to them!
4. They cannot produce an invitation letter clearly stating you need a Z VISA to work in China and/or tell you that you do not need a bachelors degree to work in China as a teacher
5. They tell you it is okay and just fine to come to work in China on an L, F, M, or X visa and you can convert it once you arrive in China.
6. They tell you that you MUST have a TEFL, TESOL, or CELTA certificate to work in China (Not true)
7. They offer to sell you a fake diploma, TEFL certificate, or letter certifying prior work experience (Any of these will get you jailed and deported)
8. They change the subject when you ask them the direct questions above.
9. They will not answer the above questions in a written email - only verbally on the telephone.
10. They tell you they will answer all of your questions only AFTER you send them your resume and passport scan!
Remember that 1 in every 5 foreign teacher applicants become an identity theft victim within 6 months of applying for a job in China. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/03/13/phony_china_recruiters_now_target_5000_expats_monthly_1
So before even shooting off or uploading your resume, read this first: http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com
For the current 2014/2015 China foreign teacher requirements contact your own embassy, the nearest Chinese consulate or embassy or read here in English: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/09/07/new_china_foreign_employee_teacher_requirements_now_strict
The average China scam recruiter makes an average of $30,000 a month creating legal visa problems for others and although they may offer you some teaching job, you will become an illegal alien in China if you do not arrive in China with a Z visa already in your passport. If you take a pass on their low-paying job offers, they will still profit from you by selling your personal information to an identity thief. When all is said in done, this here is the link you should bookmark and read every time you are contacted by an unknown agent or recruiter related in any way to China...
https://chinascamreport.wordpress.com/2014/12/02/2015-china-tefl-esl-ap-school-job-recruiter-blacklist |
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nashboroguy
Joined: 17 Nov 2012 Posts: 11 Location: Shangrao, Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: Suggestion |
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One thing I did before coming to China was to block out any "identity theft" information with painter's tape. It removes very easily form papers and documents. I told the recruiters and schools that I would provide them a clean version only after I had contracts, invitation letters and other documents in hand. |
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3701 W.119th
Joined: 26 Feb 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Central China
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I did before coming all the way to China was to research openly-available employment laws and regulations for the country, and then I ensured I adhered to them. Sounds hard? Really very simple, actually. 5 or 10 minutes, and an internet connection. This thread is pointless.
TB will be banned in a few days. We'll see him again in a few weeks. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 71
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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True Blue wrote: |
Finding China labor law links in English that are current is not easy and most young kids don't think to do that. |
Young kids? Like 9-year olds? Hmm... I'd think China has a minimum age for foreign teachers. |
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BleedingBlue
Joined: 22 Oct 2014 Posts: 87
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to see the flip-side of this coin. Let's see the 10-signs of teacher fraud - fake diplomas, home-made computer generated degrees, falsification of resumes, etc. That's a bit more exciting to me. But, I'm sure, nobody will come up with that since foreigners here are all candy, spice, and innocent beyond angelic abilities and it's "everyone else's fault" when it comes right down to it, right?
At one point I was the so-called head teacher, with recruiting, hiring duties. I'm happy to provide you a name list of those that provided fake/lies credentials as well as, unfortunately, one that got by us, and detected the fake degree (degree never obtained) only after nearly a year on the job.
Everyone comes around here touting the evils of "the man" and points out names, addresses, and so on. Maybe we should balance the scales and provide the equal frauds on the teacher side. I have no problem providing the names and PROOF of fake qualifications - it's easy to get a university to verify a degree or verify attendance, graduation and so on. I can provide 100% proof of my "claims" as they will be called by others.
Let's be fair and balanced. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Direct me to the recruiter chat site where no doubt they dish on bad FTs. |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Posts: 349
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Non Sequitur wrote: |
Direct me to the recruiter chat site where no doubt they dish on bad FTs. |
Do you actually believe such a thing exists? |
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water rat
Joined: 30 Aug 2014 Posts: 1098 Location: North Antarctica
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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The_Kong wrote: |
Non Sequitur wrote: |
Direct me to the recruiter chat site where no doubt they dish on bad FTs. |
Do you actually believe such a thing exists? |
LOL! Imagine the convos:
"Hi. I recruit for Helen group. Question: are all TEFLers completely stupid drunken louts or is that just a conspiracy to get us to pay the less generously? I need some FTs who aren't suspected child molesters or such complete losers in some way or another that they are unemployable in their home countries. Ideas? Suggestions?"
Reply:
"New at this, are you? If you actually manage to interview someone who is not a complete reprobate - be afraid. Be very afraid."
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Posts: 349
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Non Sequitur wrote: |
Direct me to the recruiter chat site where no doubt they dish on bad FTs. |
Do you actually believe such a thing exists? |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Bleeding does!
Kinda like Bizzaro World.
My fave post on the recruiter chat site would be:
'Hey these FT dorks still swallow the one about the L visa - right?' |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:44 am Post subject: |
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I think TB's days are numbered, and he knows it. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 71
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote: |
True Blue wrote: |
Finding China labor law links in English that are current is not easy and most young kids don't think to do that. |
Young kids? Like 9-year olds? Hmm... I'd think China has a minimum age for foreign teachers. |
Sorry, at 35 I consider myself an old fart compared to all the new teachers fresh out of uni that are teaching in China these days. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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True Blue wrote: |
Sorry, at 35 I consider myself an old fart ... |
You're only half right. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 71
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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BleedingBlue wrote: |
I'd like to see the flip-side of this coin. Let's see the 10-signs of teacher fraud - fake diplomas, home-made computer generated degrees, falsification of resumes, etc. That's a bit more exciting to me. But, I'm sure, nobody will come up with that since foreigners here are all candy, spice, and innocent beyond angelic abilities and it's "everyone else's fault" when it comes right down to it, right?
At one point I was the so-called head teacher, with recruiting, hiring duties. I'm happy to provide you a name list of those that provided fake/lies credentials as well as, unfortunately, one that got by us, and detected the fake degree (degree never obtained) only after nearly a year on the job.
Everyone comes around here touting the evils of "the man" and points out names, addresses, and so on. Maybe we should balance the scales and provide the equal frauds on the teacher side. I have no problem providing the names and PROOF of fake qualifications - it's easy to get a university to verify a degree or verify attendance, graduation and so on. I can provide 100% proof of my "claims" as they will be called by others.
Let's be fair and balanced. |
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You are absolutely correct, but where do these losers come from - they are recruited by dishonest recruiters who know full well they are unqualified fakes and sign them up anyway! In fact, some recruiters will sell them the phony diplomas, tefl certificates and fake letters of former employment!!!Take a look at this website for recruiter David Valley in Canada, who at ESL Watch admits he is "partners" with China ESL:
http://www.valleyorganization.com/
He clearly lures unqualified teachers with a brazen lie - "Now Hiring - No Degree Or Experience Required. ESL Teachers Needed In Beijing"
Write him an email pretending to be a teacher interested in moving to China and he will tell you directly "Don't worry about not having a degree or experience, because his partner "Rebecca" in China has "connections" so you won't have any problems" This guy was exposed at all these web sites along with a dozen others.
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=617489
http://chinascamwatch.org
http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620155
http://www.abroadreviews.com/scam-warning-david-valley-part-rebeccas-china-esl-fraud
So this is sort of like the old drug war argument where you can't just blame the buyers/users of the drugs (fake documents), or the idiots who come to China without a Z visa. The sellers also have to be held accountable and exposed by the few honest recruiters that are left. The many David Valleys will make it impossible for people to believe the honest and ethical recruiters.
From what I read on line at least a third of the teachers in China are unqualified fakes and the recruiters who brought them here should be held equally accountable and also arrested and deported. |
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