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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
I'm telling you to go away. Stop filling the forum with your fantasies and personal agenda.
You'll be gone soon. |
As I documented above, (and again below to save you a search), fake visas are in fact being sold on the streets of China, and you may want to step away from your keyboard long enough to check it out Bud if you don't believe me. Why are you surprised when you can buy any document in China from uni transcripts to a "virginity certificate" Anyone who walks by the East gate of Renmin University or the West Gate of BFSU at lunch time can find the old ladies who hustle all the counterfeit paperwork. Here is what you apparently overlooked...
"I guess they are also selling 1 year M visas too... some Chinese woman actually selling them with an ad in thebeijinger.com!!!
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/11/03/m-visa
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20141108043827AAwWKW9
http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/new-m-visa-scam-gets-china-foreign-teachers-arrested-in-devious
"What started last month as a PSB crack down on fake teachers using fake university degrees turned into an investigation of China job agents selling counterfeit TEFL certificates, university degrees, and student transcripts in an unexpected turn of events, when the PSB authorities seized the smart phones of the recruiters caught selling the fake documents. The PSB started contacting expat teachers who answered telephone calls in English with a surprise offer..."Want to buy a M visa to stay in China a year with multiple entries?" Apparently so many teachers took the bait that the busted recruiters were made one of those proverbial offers you cannot refuse... Cooperate in a police sting or go directly to jail and do not pass go.
So a few days ago, ads began appearing at thebeijinger, craiglist, and eslteacher caf� offering illegal goodies for sale to expat foreign teachers already in China and those abroad that have their eyes on a China adventure. The three items being offered were...
M Visa in the general forum of thebeijinger.com
TEFL certificate within 72 hours at eslteachercafe.com (ad was removed yesterday)
University Degrees needed to teach in China at craigslist
To be very clear, it is illegal to teach anything other than art, music, dance, or culture on an M Visa in China and even then the invitation letter must come from a certified culture, music, art, or dance academy that has a special SAIC license and ministry of culture registration number and seal.
Not many foreigners know about these strict requirements so easily believe the sales pitches they hear and shell out up to $1,500USD for a visa that has a 50% of getting them arrested an deported and 100% odds when the recruiters are being managed by the police in a sting operation.
When traveling to ANY country, we foreigners must stop taking the word and advice of people who want to sell us some service or product and check with our own embassies because the PSB in China is no longer just giving warnings like they used to do prior to 2013.
For now be on guard against recruiters who contact you, especially those listed in post no. 6 at this link http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620155 If you have ANY doubts about China's current visa laws we can send you a free copy of them in English for free - just send an email to visalaws{at}chinaforeignteachersunion.org and one of our volunteers will send it to you within 72 hours."
If people are dumb enough to use fake diplomas, they'd be dumb enough to buy a peel and stick visa. If you saw one, you would not be able to tell the difference from the real one if you did not have the machines to scan it. |
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water rat
Joined: 30 Aug 2014
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Location: North Antarctica
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I know this has been said before, but Gee Whiz Batman! If one is a native speaker, or nearly so, has a college degree or nearly so, has a little teaching experience or none at all - it's easy enough to get a job teaching English in China. So why not go about things honestly and legally? Fake degrees? Improper visas? Fake visas? These 'solutions' are more complicated than the problem itself. If someone is trying for a better position than they are qualified for or have legal right to - well, tough titties if you're so pathetic you can't even succeed at teaching English in China. Be content with your down and out life in your homeland in your parents' basement. They pay the rent, you can buy all the weed you want. What's the problem? Don't make the lives of legitimate ESL teachers any harder than they already are because, brother, we do have hard lives without you making us look bad! |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
Posts: 842
Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the topic should be titled "Don't Buy A Fake Z Visa"?
Seems like the op is selling fake Zs. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014
Posts: 71
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| water rat wrote: |
| I know this has been said before, but Gee Whiz Batman! If one is a native speaker, or nearly so, has a college degree or nearly so, has a little teaching experience or none at all - it's easy enough to get a job teaching English in China. So why not go about things honestly and legally? Fake degrees? Improper visas? Fake visas? These 'solutions' are more complicated than the problem itself. If someone is trying for a better position than they are qualified for or have legal right to - well, tough titties if you're so pathetic you can't even succeed at teaching English in China. Be content with your down and out life in your homeland in your parents' basement. They pay the rent, you can buy all the weed you want. What's the problem? Don't make the lives of legitimate ESL teachers any harder than they already are because, brother, we do have hard lives without you making us look bad! |
Well said. I agree with you 200%. And every time the Chinese authorities grab a few teachers, it makes them think the problem is wide-spread and even systemic and then they expand their witch-hunt. Originally they were only checking for Z visas, but now they are checking to see if diplomas are genuine. They never did this before. So its almost as if they are out to make it known that the fun and games are over and the visa laws will no longer be ignored - as they were for years in the past.
The real problems start with the fake recruiters like David Valley (a China ESL affiliate) whose web site, ads, and brochures openly lie to people "Teach in China - No Degree or Experience Required". See http://www.valleyorganization.com/ It is greedy as*holes like this guy that not only taint the honest recruiters, but motivate the Chinese authorities to expand their "random" searches. And this David fellow is not the only guy pulling this stunt. There are over a dozen recruiters pulling the same crap. See these links:
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=638697
http://chinascamwatch.org
http://www.abroadreviews.com/scam-warning-david-valley-part-rebeccas-china-esl-fraud
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=617489
http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/
And although those of us already in China know better, there are hundreds of other gullible and naïve fresh uni grads that do not. I think the onus is on the honest recruiters and schools to expose and shut down all the David Valley type recruiters and encourage everyone to do things legally - or not at all. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:32 am Post subject: |
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You mean David Valley isn't legit?
Fill me in. No copy and paste, please. Give me firsthand knowledge. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
You mean David Valley isn't legit?
Fill me in. No copy and paste, please. Give me firsthand knowledge. |
Come on Bud. Visit his website and then google his name with the key words "David Valley, scam, problems, ESL, China".
http://www.valleyorganization.com/
You know damn well that a bachelor degree and experience are legal requirements to teach in China. Yet his website header says verbatim:
"Hiring Now! No Degree or Experience required! ESL teachers needed in Beijing!"
He is not known by SAFEA and he has no business registration on file with SAIC in China. According to realscam.com he has not registered with Revenue Canada as all businesses are required to do.
At ESLwatch.info David claimed he was one of the "new owners" of China ESL who you must already know about, and blames all the past problems of 7 years on one HR girl who he fired. I found this stuff and so can you if you really wanted to. Start here and then follow it backward: http://www.realscam.com/f8/rebeccas-china-esl-scam-continues-new-life-esl-david-valley-3349/index3.html
If you are an honest recruiter you need to hammer guys like this or nobody will ever trust a China job agent again, and I know there has to be some good ones who don't cheat or lie, like David, Rebecca, Hellen, and the others. |
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