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Cubism
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 Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:30 am Post subject: LIST OF CHINESE UNIS FROM MINISTRY OF ED |
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Hope this is helpful. I used it & unis often replied w job offers. A friend also used it & got a steady stream of replies & offers. I had some problems because I live in Asia; he was fine because he's in the West. Also he's TEFL certified.
Anyhoo, here it is. MOE's site too.
http://www.moe.edu.cn/publicfiles/business/htmlfiles/moe/moe_2792/index.html |
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True Blue
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link. But keep in mind that there are both pros and cons of teaching at a university in China...
PROS:
1) Stable and honest employer
2) Low working hours - lots of free time
3) Furnished housing provided
CONS:
1) Low Pay (Capped by government at 8,000)
2) No real growth potential unless you get a Phd and become associate professor.
3) You definitely want to avoid most remote locations like Gansu Dandong, etc. Fortunately 86 universities are in Beijing and another 51 in Shanghai. |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| True Blue wrote: |
Thanks for the link. But keep in mind that there are both pros and cons of teaching at a university in China...
CONS:
1) Low Pay (Capped by government at 8,000) |
Where do people come up with some of this stuff? University pay is not "capped by the government." My university salary is over 8,000 for 14 hrs/wk. Is my employer breaking the law by paying too much?
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| 2) No real growth potential unless you get a Phd and become associate professor. |
This is true if you only make lateral movement (job-hopper). The key to making more money in China is the same as anywhere else, stay at the same job and prove your worth. You don't need a Phd to get a raise or better working conditions.
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| 3) You definitely want to avoid most remote locations like Gansu Dandong, etc. Fortunately 86 universities are in Beijing and another 51 in Shanghai. |
I'd avoid places like Beijing simply because I don't want to breathe the toxic soup they call "air." |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| True Blue wrote: |
Thanks for the link. But keep in mind that there are both pros and cons of teaching at a university in China...
PROS:
1) Stable and honest employer
2) Low working hours - lots of free time
3) Furnished housing provided
CONS:
1) Low Pay (Capped by government at 8,000)
2) No real growth potential unless you get a Phd and become associate professor.
3) You definitely want to avoid most remote locations like Gansu Dandong, etc. Fortunately 86 universities are in Beijing and another 51 in Shanghai. |
Please stop trying to be an expert on everything. Really.
One is not guaranteed low hours at a university, nor is it a piece of cake to teach in a public university if it is done properly. If an insufficient number of FTs are hired (and if the school has a history of difficulty hiring enough FTs), one may find himself working 20 hours per week in addition to class prep.
Add to that the probability of teaching writing to 3 classes of 42 students. That's a minimum of 126 x3 papers to slog through for the semester. Then there are the obligatory oral English classes for which one must prepare. If one is unlucky, he may also have to teach at least one course of western history.
Add that to increasing reality of universities being moved to the outer reaches of the city while FTs remain in the old campus apartments. Count on an additional 2 hours commuting to and from the campus every day.
It's not a piece of cake. If you had experience teaching in a public university almost anywhere in China, you wouldn't make such idiotic statements with such authority.
I've seen 24-25 year-olds hired with no real teaching experience and no apparent desire to teach land in a university, thinking they can spend a year chasing skirts. They are sized up quickly, and the Chinese faculty and administration immediately begin to look for a replacement.
The salary for PhD.s is capped at 8720rmb per month in some provinces, not all. There's no real work for a Ph.D in China except perhaps in Shanghai and Beijing where they MIGHT be allowed to teach the same level courses that they would teach in the U.S..
Not all Chinese public universities or colleges have stable OR honest FAO's. That's far from a guarantee. The politics in a public college or university are crazy. One may think that an FAO, regardless of age, would have total authority over FTs. Not so. I've seen a 55 year-old cafeteria manager pull rank on a 28 year-old female FAO because he has Party seniority.
You cited Gansu province as a place to avoid. With your vast knowledge, you must know that there's at least something good there, so please demonstrate your depth of knowledge.
Or go blow smoke somewhere else. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| True Blue wrote: |
Thanks for the link. But keep in mind that there are both pros and cons of teaching at a university in China...
PROS:
1) Stable and honest employer
2) Low working hours - lots of free time
3) Furnished housing provided
CONS:
1) Low Pay (Capped by government at 8,000)
2) No real growth potential unless you get a Phd and become associate professor.
3) You definitely want to avoid most remote locations like Gansu Dandong, etc. Fortunately 86 universities are in Beijing and another 51 in Shanghai. |
Please stop trying to be an expert on everything. Really.
One is not guaranteed low hours at a university, nor is it a piece of cake to teach in a public university if it is done properly. If an insufficient number of FTs are hired (and if the school has a history of difficulty hiring enough FTs), one may find himself working 20 hours per week in addition to class prep.
Add to that the probability of teaching writing to 3 classes of 42 students. That's a minimum of 126 x3 papers to slog through for the semester. Then there are the obligatory oral English classes for which one must prepare. If one is unlucky, he may also have to teach at least one course of western history.
Add that to increasing reality of universities being moved to the outer reaches of the city while FTs remain in the old campus apartments. Count on an additional 2 hours commuting to and from the campus every day.
It's not a piece of cake. If you had experience teaching in a public university almost anywhere in China, you wouldn't make such idiotic statements with such authority.
I've seen 24-25 year-olds hired with no real teaching experience and no apparent desire to teach land in a university, thinking they can spend a year chasing skirts. They are sized up quickly, and the Chinese faculty and administration immediately begin to look for a replacement.
The salary for PhD.s is capped at 8720rmb per month in some provinces, not all. There's no real work for a Ph.D in China except perhaps in Shanghai and Beijing where they MIGHT be allowed to teach the same level courses that they would teach in the U.S..
Not all Chinese public universities or colleges have stable OR honest FAO's. That's far from a guarantee. The politics in a public college or university are crazy. One may think that an FAO, regardless of age, would have total authority over FTs. Not so. I've seen a 55 year-old cafeteria manager pull rank on a 28 year-old female FAO because he has Party seniority.
You cited Gansu province as a place to avoid. With your vast knowledge, you must know that there's at least something good there, so please demonstrate your depth of knowledge.
Or go blow smoke somewhere else. |
The only good thing about Gansu are the Lanzhou Beef Noodles and horny girls Bud. And there are far less "problems" with universities than any other schools in China, although most all of the international schools are pretty good as well. This is my opinion. Overall I have spent 13 years in China, and I am on my second year of my third stint, although this is my first two years actually teaching English. Most all of the schools that are blacklisted in China are the private "learning centers" or Chinese private schools. Whereas most of the white-listed places to teach in China are universities. I cite http://chinascamwatch.org, other posts here on this website by Dave Sperling himself, and just about every ESL/TEFL forum out there. Unis are the safest and most convenient place for expat teachers while private tutoring brings in the bucks. I never claimed to be an expert Bud. My true field of expertise is vocational training of gas turbine technicians - in English. As I said, I have only taught English for 2 years and 4 months in China, but this is long enough to figure out what is to be avoided and what is worth pursuing. That is why I inquired about AP-certification. Do you really disagree? |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| True Blue wrote: |
The only good thing about Gansu are the Lanzhou Beef Noodles and horny girls Bud. |
IMO, Lanzhou beef noodles and horny girls make for a pretty good location. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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True Blue,
You are disgusting. |
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True Blue
Joined: 12 Nov 2014
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
True Blue,
You are disgusting. |
You are welcome to your opinion Bud, but unlike yourself, I don't use all my keystrokes to insult people who simply have a different opinion than my own. A little tolerance can do a soul good Bu | | |
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