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Seriously, why can't SPANISH be the world's "lingua fra
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Interestingly enough it was Orwell who pointed out that English prose sounds better when it uses more Saxon derived words than Latin or French derived words.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sensible politics too seems to have come to an end around that time.
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:10 pm    Post subject: Orwell Reply with quote

Plumpy Nut, I was referring to Orwell's simple prose (I also admire Graham Greene's style).

Ironically, there's a lot of Newspeak nowadays: downsizing, collateral damage, quantitative easing, redacting, skillset and so on. Call me old-fashioned, but it's not good English.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now vote for Volapük.
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:34 pm    Post subject: Speaking in tongues Reply with quote

There's a lot to be said for Scottish Gaelic: only 18 letters in the alphabet.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A language only kept alive by huge injections of cash from the BBC and the Scottish Governement !
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A language death resulting from the Piggie policies driving the Highland Clearances...
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:35 pm    Post subject: Shock, horror! Reply with quote

Not dead yet, Comrade Sasha, despite the best efforts of the Evil Empire and turncoat Dundonians. Wink
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But well on the way. Hardly the language of state, as was once the case.

Moribund, then
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:37 pm    Post subject: Language revival Reply with quote

Moribund? What's the Russian economy got to do with it? Wink
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't believe all the hype. Nowhere near what the Piggie press would have you believe...
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Lack



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not fluent in Spanish. I am perhaps high novice or low intermediate. It is great that it is entirely phonetic. The conjugations I hate having to do, although until I get better I am trying to take some shortcuts. For example, using "Voy a..." instead of conjugating a verb for the future tense.

The language probably did have a shot at becoming the international language at one point. But gaining that status requires a lot more than just a high number of native speakers. It's much more important to see how much it spreads itself.

Learning English gets you access to dozens of countries. Learning Chinese gets you access to one country.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 16th and 17th centuries Spanish and Portuguese would have been quite useful ! Thereafter, French, but British and then US hegemony has brought English to the fore.

What do you propose we do to change it ? Have a vote at the UN ?
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IchliebeHunde1492



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack wrote:
Learning English gets you access to dozens of countries. Learning Chinese gets you access to one country.


And learning Spanish gets you access to TWENTY countries (at least according to Wikipedia).
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water rat



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IchliebeHunde1492 wrote:
Lack wrote:
Learning English gets you access to dozens of countries. Learning Chinese gets you access to one country.


And learning Spanish gets you access to TWENTY countries (at least according to Wikipedia).

@Lack -two countries if we count Taiwan (Shhh!)
@You are a German Dog -"dozens" is more than 20 - check that out on Wikipedia too.
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