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Geronimo



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It is a vote and the vote will stay there until it is endorsed like any other vote in the world," said Maitha Al Mahrooqi, undersecretary of Tourism.
"Oman is home to all types of nationalities and will remain so. As a country we welcome all types of religions and all types of workers and guests from all over the world," she further said.
"We respect their need for religious purposes or for their own purposes on a daily basis," she told reporters at the sidelines on the second day of the Seatrade Middle East Cruise Forum, which ended on Wednesday in Muscat.
She said, "Looking at Oman historically, it is open to all categories of people who can live here safely with Omanis and I believe this has been ongoing and will continue in years to come."
Regarding the approval by Majlis, she said it will be looked at and have minimum impact. "We may be putting more rules and regulations in terms of the services and qualities and not to ban it. That is what I can say at this stage," she said.
http://www.timesofoman.com/News/44093/Article-Oman-Majlis-Al-Shura-ban-on-alcohol-not-yet-endorsed-Mahrooqi
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure it's on its way....maybe already here?! Our local watering hole in the desert of Ibri have had their purchasing license suspended. It's a small 2 star hotel-The Oasis....but according to the Indian staff, there may be no more deliveries of alcohol, and when the current stock is gone-there will be no more! Crying or Very sad In reality it's exactly the kind of place that the new regulations are targeting-Omani's guzzling away like there's no tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tazz wrote:
For sure it's on its way....maybe already here?! Our local watering hole in the desert of Ibri have had their purchasing license suspended. It's a small 2 star hotel-The Oasis....but according to the Indian staff, there may be no more deliveries of alcohol, and when the current stock is gone-there will be no more! Crying or Very sad In reality it's exactly the kind of place that the new regulations are targeting-Omani's guzzling away like there's no tomorrow!


That sucks Tazz and I'm sorry. If a hard-line ban is announced (which I doubt, but it is certainly getting a lot of discussion in the media) I don't know what the 'grace period' would be before it is implemented. However, you can certainly expect that those who can will be stocking up for however long they've got.

By the way, thanks to Geronimo for supplying all the links. Came across this one today and it is a very similar assessment to what some of us have been saying on this thread:
http://www.timesofoman.com/Columns/2522/Article-Banning-alcohol-will-impact-Sultanate%E2%80%99s-tourism-industry
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tazz wrote:
For sure it's on its way....maybe already here?! Our local watering hole in the desert of Ibri have had their purchasing license suspended. It's a small 2 star hotel-The Oasis....but according to the Indian staff, there may be no more deliveries of alcohol, and when the current stock is gone-there will be no more! Crying or Very sad In reality it's exactly the kind of place that the new regulations are targeting-Omani's guzzling away like there's no tomorrow!


I went through Sohar on business a couple of months back, and checked into the Sohar Beach Hotel at around midday on a weekday. Was shocked to see how many young Omans there were outside already half-cut and obviously there for the day Laughing Went to the hotel bar in the evening after dinner, and there was a similar number of pissed-up locals in it for the long haul. Didn't really look like social drinking, just boredom and cans. Sad

Any ban won't effect this lot. They'll just source it from across the border in RAK.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Temperance activists may be happy but Suman Billa, a top civil servant in the tourism ministry, said the ban was a "major concern". "We take about a million international tourists every year for whom wine and beer is a part of their diet," he said. Along with holidaymakers' spending, the state has been raking in earnings from conferences and other business events at hotels.
"There's always a cocktail and dinner that goes along with it. So I think it would be particularly unattractive if we were to say: 'Do come, but sorry, we won't be able to serve you any alcohol'," Billa said. His fears were backed up by a recent survey from travel portal HolidayIQ, based on 5,000 Indian respondents, of whom 58 percent said the booze ban would affect their travel plans. Bar owners are hoping for an 11th-hour change to the policy and have taken the matter to court, fearing tourists will start opting for other regional destinations - perhaps the beaches of nearby Goa or Sri Lanka. However, with the government standing firm on the issue, they are only hopeful the law might be moderated somehow..
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Is this an excerpt from an article about the current situation in Oman?
No, it is concerned with the recent developments in the nearby State of Kerala...

"We've got a lot of competition," said G. Sudhiesh Kumar, chief executive at the Hotel Sea Face in Kovalam, which has already started getting cancellations from repeat European customers. Kumar worries that youngsters in Kerala's crucial IT sector may start looking for work in other regions, while investors will be spooked by the sudden change to the laws. "Who's going to come and invest his hard-earned money here in Kerala? That is the wrong message," he said.There is little denial of an alcohol problem in rum and brandy-loving Kerala, which has the highest consumption levels in India owing to its relatively high living standards, while the region also has a long tradition of home-brewing.
The Alcohol and Drug Information Centre, an NGO to prevent substance abuse, links 69 percent of crimes, 40 percent of road accidents and one in four hospitalisations to alcohol. "The women have been suffering, the homes have been suffering," said the centre's director Johnson J. Edayaranmula.
But even he believes the move to prohibition, although popular with most locals, has been ill thought through. "The government went into a hasty decision and they don't know what to do next," he said.
In Kovalam, many restaurants already do not go to the expense of paying for a licence and instead serve beer illegally in mugs, listing it as 'pop' on the bill. This clandestine system is now widely expected to grow, with money once headed for the government simply going into bribes. "People really like to drink here," said Cyril de Montaigu, a 31-year-old French backpacker, undeterred by the ban. "Prohibition never works, there's always an underground market..."


http://cooks.ndtv.com/article/show/high-and-dry-alcohol-ban-in-kerala-affecting-tourism-590325

As we know, many governments located all around the world - including our homelands' - are seeking the most effective policies to reduce the grave damage to their societies caused by excessive alcohol consumption.

For example, Gorbachev had a bash at it in the Russia of Soviet times...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3818525/

and Australia's government has strived to adopt an informed approach to strategy formulation...
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/content/alc-strategy/$file/alcohol_strategy_back.pdf

Surely the future prospects of Omani youth warrant an informed and thought through approach to be adopted in the Sultanate, too.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comparison -Kerala and Oman, in terms of the move to outlaw the legal supply of alcohol....on the one hand the governments must accept that maintaining and expanding their 'western' tourist markets requires that wine/beer is available in the hotels. The blinkered viewpoint- that tourists come here for the 'natural beauty of Oman' and alcohol availability is irrelevant in their choice of destination just doesn't cut it with me. On the other hand I can see how 'boozing' is a real problem with the locals. It's not even something that can be addressed-since alcohol is 'haram' how can a policy and education along the lines of 'drinking responsibly' be adopted?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tazz wrote:
It's not even something that can be addressed-since alcohol is 'haram' how can a policy and education along the lines of 'drinking responsibly' be adopted?

Therein lies the rub.

It is already against the law to sell booze to the Omanis... they could try enforcing that. Perhaps a Muslim version of AA to deal with the drinking problems?

VS
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two new specialised drug rehabilitation centres are going to be built in Oman:
the first in Sohar, scheduled to open in 2017, and the second in Muscat...
http://www.timesofoman.com/News/32709/Article-Oman-rehab-to-open-As-addicts-increase

As a sizeable 31% of the current 4,079 "addicts registered" are addicted to alcohol, perhaps this "substance" will feature alongside of heroin and morphine in an educational program for the Omani youth in the not-too-distant future.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Tazz wrote:
It's not even something that can be addressed-since alcohol is 'haram' how can a policy and education along the lines of 'drinking responsibly' be adopted?

Therein lies the rub.

It is already against the law to sell booze to the Omanis... they could try enforcing that. Perhaps a Muslim version of AA to deal with the drinking problems?

VS

The only Muslim version of AA to deal with Omani drinking problems is the Saudi version: 50 lashes for drinking Beer and 100 lashes
for drinking Whisky! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Tazz wrote:
It's not even something that can be addressed-since alcohol is 'haram' how can a policy and education along the lines of 'drinking responsibly' be adopted?

Therein lies the rub.

It is already against the law to sell booze to the Omanis... they could try enforcing that. Perhaps a Muslim version of AA to deal with the drinking problems?

VS


I'm teaching a group of ROP officers at the moment and they say it's not illegal for a bar to serve alcohol to Omanis. They are just not allowed a liquor permit for home consumption. Interestingly there is also a law which states that if an Omani is wearing a dish dasha then he must also wear a kumma or turban, no headwear = no drink. However if they wear western clothing then the head covering rule doesn't apply.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:


I'm teaching a group of ROP officers at the moment and they say it's not illegal for a bar to serve alcohol to Omanis. They are just not allowed a liquor permit for home consumption.


Seconded. Also I've heard that Muslim expatriates are not eligible for liquor licenses.

Tazz wrote:

On the other hand I can see how 'boozing' is a real problem with the locals. It's not even something that can be addressed-since alcohol is 'haram' how can a policy and education along the lines of 'drinking responsibly' be adopted?


Good point.
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1st Sgt Welsh wrote:
MuscatGary wrote:


I'm teaching a group of ROP officers at the moment and they say it's not illegal for a bar to serve alcohol to Omanis. They are just not allowed a liquor permit for home consumption.


Seconded. Also I've heard that Muslim expatriates are not eligible for liquor licenses.


That's true also. You have to declare your religion when applying for the permit and stating Muslim equals no permit. Most of the Muslims I know in Oman buy from their private clubs for home consumption albeit not usually in the family home but in their party pads.
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MuscatGary wrote:
Interestingly there is also a law which states that if an Omani is wearing a dish dasha then he must also wear a kumma or turban, no headwear = no drink. However if they wear western clothing then the head covering rule doesn't apply.

Is this law written, or just a tradition amongst the Omanis?
Does this law/tradition applies to expat who wear dish dasha and kumma as well?

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Most of the Muslims I know in Oman buy from their private clubs for home consumption albeit not usually in the family home but in their party pads.

Of course, they are cheating themselves twice: wearing dish dasha and kummar, and drinking the mother of all evils! Laughing

“Alcohol is the mother of all evils." - Hadith
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Mushkilla wrote:
MuscatGary wrote:
Interestingly there is also a law which states that if an Omani is wearing a dish dasha then he must also wear a kumma or turban, no headwear = no drink. However if they wear western clothing then the head covering rule doesn't apply.

Is this law written, or just a tradition amongst the Omanis? The ROP guys said it's an official law just like taxi drivers have to wear the kumma or turban whilst driving.
Does this law/tradition applies to expat who wear dish dasha and kumma as well? No idea but I've only ever seen one ex-pat wearing the Omani national dress and he's a convert and as with all converts likely to be more zealous than the others and not drink.

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Most of the Muslims I know in Oman buy from their private clubs for home consumption albeit not usually in the family home but in their party pads.

Of course, they are cheating themselves twice: wearing dish dasha and kummar, and drinking the mother of all evils! Laughing Not to mention the girls...

“Alcohol is the mother of all evils." - Hadith
“Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.” Frank Sinatra.
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MuscatGary wrote:

[ “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.” Frank Sinatra.

I guess Sinatra was drunk when he said the above. Laughing

The bibles says:
"Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags." - Proverbs 23:20f

Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
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