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montagdarko
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 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject: huairou beijing or Changchun? |
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Hi there!
I am considering more or less the same paying jobs in both places
I am interested in a possible expat community and not a horrible weather,i think Changchun has -30 on the winter but i want to know from someone that lived there!
Any info?
Thanks in advance!
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Unchained English
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First there is no such thing as an "expat community".
No one who has a passport to put a Z visa and residence permit in is a true expatriate of the country they were born in.
It's just a cutesy term so that the country represented in your passport still can have reins over you, not allowing you to go 100% where you want in the world.
What you are referring to is a group of people who leave their country and want to be together without actually experiencing life in another country and living amongst the locals of a random community.
Sanlitun in Beijing is filled with these tourist rabbits, hopping from one tourist sight to the next coming home claiming to be "cultured in the finer Chinese life".
After the Summer Palace, Tiananmen Square, and Llama Temple visits bore you, you might want to explore other areas. Is this really for you?
Do you mind talking with the locals or do you prefer a local from your hometown?
Next, the decision between Changchun and Beijing shouldn't be for others. You should be the one to decide. Should you eat chicken or pork for dinner? You decide, not me.
The holiday is coming up, and you should have some money saved up. Why not visit each area first before you decide? Don't ask other people. Be a true expat (in thinking at least) and don't rely on your mother tongue or other teachers to lead your life. Lead your own life.
Train rides don't cost much, and you would probably take a bus after arriving at the Beijing Railway Station. Take line 2 north three stops to Dongzhimen to the bus station.
http://blog.beijingholiday.com/travel-tips/beijing-subway-line-2/
"Bus 916 for Huairou for Mutianyu Great Wall"
After looking, return home. Decide. |
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likwid_777
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Changchun is going to be cold indeed, it's not quite as far north as Harbin, but it's going to be same diff temperature wise...
-27 compared to -25? Hmm, still freezing.
I think that UC's points about Beijing would be correct, but hey, I've never been there. Even though my previous stint in China was in the ice wastes (it was actually ok, that just sounds cool) of Harbin, I'd still choose Changchun over Beijing. Going to Beijing just seems so clichéd, or perhaps passé, maybe both.
Though I had a girlfriend from Changchun, and she really liked being in Harbin. Does this mean that Harbin is more interesting and cosmopolitan than Changchun? Or does it just mean that it was different and refreshing for her? These are questions that only eternity can answer. |
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montagdarko
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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when did you see the phrase"please answer using irony" in my post?Really if you have nothing good to say stay quiet!
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First there is no such thing as an "expat community".
No one who has a passport to put a Z visa and residence permit in is a true expatriate of the country they were born in.
It's just a cutesy term so that the country represented in your passport still can have reins over you, not allowing you to go 100% where you want in the world.
What you are referring to is a group of people who leave their country and want to be together without actually experiencing life in another country and living amongst the locals of a random community.
Sanlitun in Beijing is filled with these tourist rabbits, hopping from one tourist sight to the next coming home claiming to be "cultured in the finer Chinese life".
After the Summer Palace, Tiananmen Square, and Llama Temple visits bore you, you might want to explore other areas. Is this really for you?
Do you mind talking with the locals or do you prefer a local from your hometown?
Next, the decision between Changchun and Beijing shouldn't be for others. You should be the one to decide. Should you eat chicken or pork for dinner? You decide, not me.
The holiday is coming up, and you should have some money saved up. Why not visit each area first before you decide? Don't ask other people. Be a true expat (in thinking at least) and don't rely on your mother tongue or other teachers to lead your life. Lead your own life.
Train rides don't cost much, and you would probably take a bus after arriving at the Beijing Railway Station. Take line 2 north three stops to Dongzhimen to the bus station.
http://blog.beijingholiday.com/travel-tips/beijing-subway-line-2/
"Bus 916 for Huairou for Mutianyu Great Wall"
After looking, return home. Decide. |
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montagdarko
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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thanks a lot for your answer 
| likwid_777 wrote: |
Changchun is going to be cold indeed, it's not quite as far north as Harbin, but it's going to be same diff temperature wise...
-27 compared to -25? Hmm, still freezing.
I think that UC's points about Beijing would be correct, but hey, I've never been there. Even though my previous stint in China was in the ice wastes (it was actually ok, that just sounds cool) of Harbin, I'd still choose Changchun over Beijing. Going to Beijing just seems so clichéd, or perhaps passé, maybe both.
Though I had a girlfriend from Changchun, and she really liked being in Harbin. Does this mean that Harbin is more interesting and cosmopolitan than Changchun? Or does it just mean that it was different and refreshing for her? These are questions that only eternity can answer. |
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montagdarko
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PS I have NO MONEY for Holidays man!I live in greece and i am unemplyed since 2011!This is not going to be any holiday for me just work!I asked about expat community because i would like to have some friends that definetelly speak english so that i could communicate in the beginning.Did i ever mention not wanting to meet locals?Really this attitude SUCKS!
| Unchained English wrote: |
First there is no such thing as an "expat community".
No one who has a passport to put a Z visa and residence permit in is a true expatriate of the country they were born in.
It's just a cutesy term so that the country represented in your passport still can have reins over you, not allowing you to go 100% where you want in the world.
What you are referring to is a group of people who leave their country and want to be together without actually experiencing life in another country and living amongst the locals of a random community.
Sanlitun in Beijing is filled with these tourist rabbits, hopping from one tourist sight to the next coming home claiming to be "cultured in the finer Chinese life".
After the Summer Palace, Tiananmen Square, and Llama Temple visits bore you, you might want to explore other areas. Is this really for you?
Do you mind talking with the locals or do you prefer a local from your hometown?
Next, the decision between Changchun and Beijing shouldn't be for others. You should be the one to decide. Should you eat chicken or pork for dinner? You decide, not me.
The holiday is coming up, and you should have some money saved up. Why not visit each area first before you decide? Don't ask other people. Be a true expat (in thinking at least) and don't rely on your mother tongue or other teachers to lead your life. Lead your own life.
Train rides don't cost much, and you would probably take a bus after arriving at the Beijing Railway Station. Take line 2 north three stops to Dongzhimen to the bus station.
http://blog.beijingholiday.com/travel-tips/beijing-subway-line-2/
"Bus 916 for Huairou for Mutianyu Great Wall"
After looking, return home. Decide. |
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Unchained English
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"when did you see the phrase"please answer using irony" in my post?"
I wasn't using irony, I was outlining what to expect if you come to Beijing. I assumed you were in Changchun or at least somewhere in the north. You didn't give us your details until now. Now I can reply differently.
"I live in greece and i am unemplyed since 2011!"
Then your first job at worst is a stepping stone to something better. I suggest you choose it instead of asking others to decide for you. If you are in Greece, do you really want to chance it with cold weather?
Just instincts alone would tell me to go somewhere south first. Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Shenzhen, etc...
They often pay more too. You can save up, and then you can visit rural areas outside a major city.
"I asked about expat community because i would like to have some friends that definetelly speak english so that i could communicate in the beginning."
Again, there is no such thing as an expat community. Go to any site which resembles Lonely Planet information and you will see central areas FOREIGNERS, not expats, come to meet. It's not my scene, but if you like that kind of thing, then go there. Move to an area that has the environment you want, not one I or someone else wants.
"Did i ever mention not wanting to meet locals?Really this attitude SUCKS!"
I am not sorry I couldn't give you the information you wanted. You are now at a point in your life where you can give yourself the information you want. This will pay dividends in your future. You will be able to explore cities you want to go to, meet people you want to meet, and live according to your desires.
Make it happen, do what you want. I hope you find happiness and joy in whatever path you take as I enjoy the path I have paved for myself.
Happy trails!!!
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| The difference between foreign worker and expatriate is . . . . the same. |
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Unchained English
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| asiannationmc wrote: |
| The difference between foreign worker and expatriate is . . . . the same. |
LOL
Benedict Arnold wasn't just a traitor (to some), he was a foreign worker 
Expatriate means you give up your ties to the land you were born in. This land is determined by invisible borders conquered through war.
If you are a foreign worker, you don't need to be associated with any country if you are qualified. These two terms are very different.
I would like to be an expatriate and go wherever I want to go without needing a passport.
This doesn't mean I am foreign, and it doesn't mean I am working. |
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montagdarko
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:50 am Post subject: |
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I dont even understand why we have to philosophise over all this and not just give me any info to help me decide...
| Unchained English wrote: |
| asiannationmc wrote: |
| The difference between foreign worker and expatriate is . . . . the same. |
LOL
Benedict Arnold wasn't just a traitor (to some), he was a foreign worker
Expatriate means you give up your ties to the land you were born in. This land is determined by invisible borders conquered through war.
If you are a foreign worker, you don't need to be associated with any country if you are qualified. These two terms are very different.
I would like to be an expatriate and go wherever I want to go without needing a passport.
This doesn't mean I am foreign, and it doesn't mean I am working. |
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montagdarko
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:51 am Post subject: |
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If you do not want to help just don't/You don't have to be a smart ass about it
| Unchained English wrote: |
"when did you see the phrase"please answer using irony" in my post?"
I wasn't using irony, I was outlining what to expect if you come to Beijing. I assumed you were in Changchun or at least somewhere in the north. You didn't give us your details until now. Now I can reply differently.
"I live in greece and i am unemplyed since 2011!"
Then your first job at worst is a stepping stone to something better. I suggest you choose it instead of asking others to decide for you. If you are in Greece, do you really want to chance it with cold weather?
Just instincts alone would tell me to go somewhere south first. Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Shenzhen, etc...
They often pay more too. You can save up, and then you can visit rural areas outside a major city.
"I asked about expat community because i would like to have some friends that definetelly speak english so that i could communicate in the beginning."
Again, there is no such thing as an expat community. Go to any site which resembles Lonely Planet information and you will see central areas FOREIGNERS, not expats, come to meet. It's not my scene, but if you like that kind of thing, then go there. Move to an area that has the environment you want, not one I or someone else wants.
"Did i ever mention not wanting to meet locals?Really this attitude SUCKS!"
I am not sorry I couldn't give you the information you wanted. You are now at a point in your life where you can give yourself the information you want. This will pay dividends in your future. You will be able to explore cities you want to go to, meet people you want to meet, and live according to your desires.
Make it happen, do what you want. I hope you find happiness and joy in whatever path you take as I enjoy the path I have paved for myself.
Happy trails!!!
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asiannationmc
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| I would like to be an expatriate and go wherever I want to go without needing a passport. |
Well pilgrim, even expats have passports. Bout the only thing that travels round the world without a visa stamp is the "pollution", which strangely seems to have wondered into these forums masquerading as your post. |
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