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M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:27 pm    Post subject: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

I'm applying for master's programs but would like to know which would be better for securing university EFL teaching positions - Master's in Literature or a Master's in App. Ling. / TESOL?

A friend teaching in Korea tells me I should earn a master's of literature, specifically Canadian or American literature. He said that most of the Korean professors in the English Department had doctorates in Shakespeare.

Another friend said that a master's in applied linguistics or TESOL should be enough to get a university teaching position.

Any further comments on the suitability of each degree for teaching TEFL at a university?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
A friend teaching in Korea tells me I should earn a master's of literature, specifically Canadian or American literature. He said that most of the Korean professors in the English Department had doctorates in Shakespeare.

If a PhD is required, why would you pursue an MA in Literature to teach TEFL? Is your goal to eventually get a doctorate in order to teach literature instead?

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Any further comments on the suitability of each degree for teaching TEFL at a university?

Universities in which countries?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say about Asia, but in Europe and North America, literature is for teaching literature. Useless in EFL/ESL positions, in my experience.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
I'm applying for master's programs but would like to know which would be better for securing university EFL teaching positions - Master's in Literature or a Master's in App. Ling. / TESOL?

A friend teaching in Korea tells me I should earn a master's of literature, specifically Canadian or American literature. He said that most of the Korean professors in the English Department had doctorates in Shakespeare.

Another friend said that a master's in applied linguistics or TESOL should be enough to get a university teaching position.

Any further comments on the suitability of each degree for teaching TEFL at a university?


So what is your REAL end goal?
    a) Do you want to teach Literature?
    b) Do you want to teach EFL or Teach teachers how to teach EFL?
    c) Do you just want a uni position?

AND
(d) where do YOUR interests lay?

If (a) then take your MA in Literature. You will need to continue to a PhD eventually.
If (b) then MATESOL, MA App Ling or M.Ed TEFL would be the preferred choice.
If (c) then why ask? Look at the jobs on offer in the country of choice and see what the requirements are.
(d) This makes all the difference in the world. They are widely divergent fields with little in common. If you are undertaking it for the wrong reasons you are just throwing money (and a couple years of your life) away.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MA in literature and it has helped me get my current position - but an MA TESOL would have been preferred and I'm probably going to have to do one eventually if I want to stay in the uni sector. If you want to teach EFL or EAP, you should do the linguistics or tesol. Also, check out uni job adverts (such as jobs.ac.uk, or tesol.org) to see what they are looking for if you haven't already.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might take a look at "What do you look for in a BA or MA degree program?" (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=95138).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
I'm applying for master's programs but would like to know which would be better for securing university [English as a Foreign Language] teaching positions - Master's in Literature or a Master's in [Applied Linguistics] / [Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages]?

A friend teaching in Korea tells me I should earn a master's of literature, specifically Canadian or American literature. He said that most of the Korean professors [not the people who are doing the job that I am going for] in the English Department had doctorates in Shakespeare.

Another friend said that a master's in applied linguistics or [Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages] should be enough to get a university teaching position [teaching English to speakers of other languages].

Any further comments on the suitability of each degree for teaching TEFL at a university?


It should be obvious that if you want to teach English to speakers of other languages, you should do a degree that involves a heavy emphasis on Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages, and not a degree with a heavy emphasis on analyzing the metaphors in Shakespeare's later plays and sonnets.

If you read through the course requirements of a few university's TESOL or Applied Linguistics courses and don't think "This stuff is AWESOME!" but you DO think that reading through course offerings in Literature departments, then maybe teaching English language isn't actually what you want to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
If you read through the course requirements of a few university's TESOL or Applied Linguistics courses and don't think "This stuff is AWESOME!" but you DO think that reading through course offerings in Literature departments, then maybe teaching English language isn't actually what you want to do.


I'll second this. I'd rather get shot in the head than take a graduate level class in poetry or literature. I looked over course programs for MA and MEd programs and was excited to find things like second language teaching methodologies, culture and the learner, features of North American grammar, graduate level linguistics, assessment, and so on.

Do the MA Lit if you want to learn more about literature and possibly teach the subject to native or near-native speakers.

Do a MA or MA in Teaching in TESOL if you want to be a practicing teacher of English as a second language. Do a MEd if you want to learn how to teach, develop courses, and write materials.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

kyivkyiv wrote:
Do a MA or MA in Teaching in TESOL if you want to be a practicing teacher of English as a second language. Do a MEd if you want to learn how to teach, develop courses, and write materials.

However, you can't base the focus of a degree solely on its title/major; course content is key. For example, not all M.Ed degrees emphasize teaching practice, which is why some employers don't accept them. Plus, some MA in TESOLs are theoretic while others are practical.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
However, you can't base the focus of a degree solely on its title/major; course content is key. For example, not all M.Ed degrees emphasize teaching practice, which is why some employers don't accept them. Plus, some MA in TESOLs are theoretic while others are practical.


True enough. I'd personally like to get out of teaching as my only option and would like to have opportunities to work in the areas of materials development or administration and curriculum design in my home country. Given this, I think a M.Ed. is a better choice than a MA TESOL or MA Teaching.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

kyivkyiv wrote:
I'd personally like to get out of teaching as my only option and would like to have opportunities to work in the areas of materials development or administration and curriculum design in my home country. Given this, I think a M.Ed. is a better choice than a MA TESOL or MA Teaching.

Which is very likely to require you also obtain k-12 teaching licensure. A better alternative might be an MA/M.Ed. in Instructional Design, which would qualify you for k-12 positions (w/licensure) in addition to higher ed and corporate training. It's in the same category as the Master of Educational Technology program I'm presently completing (see http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=108597 ). Either way, make sure your degree program covers eLearning.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MA Literature vs MA TESOL

It depends upon where one wants to teach. I have a BA in English Studies (a good mix of linguistics, literature, and composition), an MA in Literature and an MFA in Writing (both of which also include linguistics electives) . This does not diminish my attractiveness to better Chinese universities. What I bring to classes of Chinese university English majors satisfies the demands of a Chinese University curriculum better than what an MA in TESOL imparts to the teacher solely because in the university setting, the teacher consciously relies much more heavily upon content than methodology. (This is true in American Universities as well, largely because it is assumed that by the time one has earned an MA -- in anything--- the graduate has taught enough seminars and has done student teaching to be an effective teacher. Though this is not always the case, it is the common wisdom ).

The TESOL is extremely valuable to the teacher of lower grades (primary through high school) where the teacher's knowledge of the "how" of education is as important as the "what". In primary and in secondary education, the teacher will be required to prevail upon a bag of methods to get through to students of different levels of abilities and motivation. In the better Chinese universities, the student English majors' abilities (generally) don't need coaching in pronunciation, grammar, punctuation, etc.. In my experience (your mileage may vary) the students spoke as well as American students. What they needed was information to fill in the holes in their knowledge of the English language and other aspects of communication in English. That has been my function and experience in Chinese universities. (YMMV)

Comparing the MA TESOL to MA Literature/humanities: When one decides to return home, the MA TESOL could lead to more and higher-paying jobs in primary and secondary schools (with certification, of course), and possibly American universities.

The MA Literature teacher has two choices that aren't so good when he returns to the U.S.. If he's lucky, an American university may employ him as a lecturer-level teacher and put him to work teaching twenty hours of freshman writing. If he is VERY lucky, he may be allowed to teach an elective freshman honors literature class, but for the most part, he'll be a low-paid glorified paper grader. (The MFA will allow him to teach upper-level literature and advanced writing classes). Generally, if the MA Lit teacher wants to teach literature on the university level, he'll need to study for a PH.D or an MFA.

In light of the fact that many American universities are cutting funding to the humanities, a degree in TESOL is a good deal in China for primary and secondary school, and a good deal when one returns to the realities of the job market in the U.S.. The MA Literature teacher doesn't have such exciting prospects.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: M.A. Literature vs M.A. Applied Linguistics / TESOL Reply with quote

kyivkyiv wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
However, you can't base the focus of a degree solely on its title/major; course content is key. For example, not all M.Ed degrees emphasize teaching practice, which is why some employers don't accept them. Plus, some MA in TESOLs are theoretic while others are practical.


True enough. I'd personally like to get out of teaching as my only option and would like to have opportunities to work in the areas of materials development or administration and curriculum design in my home country. Given this, I think a M.Ed. is a better choice than a MA TESOL or MA Teaching.


In some states, the M.Ed is scorned by local school systems as a result of the re-thinking of the state educational systems. In some cities (especially in my home city and state) holders of education degrees are turned away, even though they've engaged in student teaching apart from the university setting. During the past twenty years, there has been discussions about how education degree programs don't attract the brightest bulbs.

An M.Ed is PROBABLY a better choice of study if one wants to engage in curriculum design and administration, but beware: once one enters that arena in the U.S.--- and probably other countries as well, he enters a formidable political battle zone. If that is one's chosen direction he might as well go all the way and earn a Ph.D. It won't do too much to reduce the bloody politics, but it does reduce the number of competitors.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
...it is assumed that by the time one has earned an MA -- in anything--- the graduate has taught enough seminars and has done student teaching to be an effective teacher. Though this is not always the case...


Student teaching, yes, (I'm looking forward to being a "glorified paper grader" for the next two years teaching ESL comp classes as part of my AL/TESOL MA), but I think it is quite rare for MA participants to be teaching seminars. Did you mean TA sections?

And I am sure somebody is about to jump in that in the world of TESOL employers do not assume that one is an effective teacher in the language classroom simply by having earned a TESOL MA.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

natsume wrote:
... I think it is quite rare for MA participants to be teaching seminars. Did you mean TA sections?



In some American MA curricula, seminar classes are required in which an MA student is expected to teach an entire 45 or 90 minute class to other MA students. These are called seminar classes. All MA students enrolled in classes that are open to MA level students-only are required to conduct such classes to their peers. Twelve credit hours of my MA Lit required 12 hours of seminar. Your school may not require such things, or they may be called something else.

But no, this is not part of a Graduate Assistantship or a Teaching/Teacher's assistantship. (I did both, and I never knew which was which!). It is not to be confused with student teaching a separate section to freshmen, or working in the campus writing center or "Learning Center" (what an idiotic name) or working with developmentally deficient (SSI) students. The seminar class is, at worst, a show-and-tell for college students, and is, at best, a presentation that is almost as rigorous as a thesis defense once the teacher and students begin asking questions.
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