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Non Sequitur
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| Poker Face wrote: |
According to this 2012 article China foreign teachers have an average salary of $19,000 USD or 120,000 yuan per year. So yeah it may give you a comfortable life when you live here, but we all have to go home, and who wants to go home broke? Supposedly wages went up 5.7% since then do now in 2015 it's about $20,500 but still nothing to write home about.
http://www.expatarrivals.com/china/salaries-for-expats-in-china
Compared to Singapore, Korea, and Japan the pay rates in China really suck. But I personally didn't come to China expecting to make a ton of money. I came here to see China on someone else's dime - kind of like a working vacation you could say.
What is interesting on the chart at the above link however is that there is a really big gap on how little we earn compared to other expats in China. Nobody makes less money as a group than us teachers.  |
We (generally) are less qualified too.
Also nothing about FT remuneration isn't known coming in. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| Poker Face wrote: |
According to this 2012 article China foreign teachers have an average salary of $19,000 USD or 120,000 yuan per year. So yeah it may give you a comfortable life when you live here, but we all have to go home, and who wants to go home broke? Supposedly wages went up 5.7% since then do now in 2015 it's about $20,500 but still nothing to write home about.
http://www.expatarrivals.com/china/salaries-for-expats-in-china
Compared to Singapore, Korea, and Japan the pay rates in China really suck. But I personally didn't come to China expecting to make a ton of money. I came here to see China on someone else's dime - kind of like a working vacation you could say.
What is interesting on the chart at the above link however is that there is a really big gap on how little we earn compared to other expats in China. Nobody makes less money as a group than us teachers. |
We (generally) are less qualified too.
Also nothing about FT remuneration isn't known coming in. |
Also, part time and usually a free place to live. So, 38000 full time and a free place to live. I am sure back home many would dream of that. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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shaka
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"What is interesting on the chart at the above link however is that there is a really big gap on how little we earn compared to other expats in China. Nobody makes less money as a group than us teachers. Sad"
So you're telling me I should have been a CEO instead of a teacher?
Dammit! I knew I screwed up somewhere!
If only you had been my guidance counselor. |
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Non Sequitur
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There was a thread yonks ago about how to move from being an FT to something better in China.
There was the entrepreneurial path ie open a bar or similar and there was also the idea of moving into corporate English instruction with a multinational or local airline and then maybe into sales, operations etc.
Most expats are appointed from home - not locally recruited.
The exception seems to be Embassies and Consulates who sometimes recruit locally hired nationals.
The pay rates are not greatly better than FT but there does seem to be security and some career progression possible. |
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Markness
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
There was a thread yonks ago about how to move from being an FT to something better in China.
There was the entrepreneurial path ie open a bar or similar and there was also the idea of moving into corporate English instruction with a multinational or local airline and then maybe into sales, operations etc.
Most expats are appointed from home - not locally recruited.
The exception seems to be Embassies and Consulates who sometimes recruit locally hired nationals.
The pay rates are not greatly better than FT but there does seem to be security and some career progression possible. |
Yeah, my American friend is trying to get into his consulate, trying to be a translator for them. Kicker is that you can get an intership which is non-paid and maybe a paid position after. I saw my embassy needed a warehouse guy.. lol, kicker is that the position paid more than most teaching jobs.  |
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Non Sequitur
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D-M
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Im sure I said this elsewhere in the 26 pages of this thread .. but just a reminder that EFL / ESL in the UK is still worse than teaching English in China.
The average EFL job in the UK might include a ZERO hours contract, no holiday pay, no housing, no travel allowance or flight bonus, no subsidy for meals, no contribution to utility bills ... with hourly rates from £10 per hour.
Enjoy China people |
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Non Sequitur
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Another spam message that should be disregarded by most people.
Would anyone like to work in London teaching EFL? Salaries start at around £10.50 an hour with no accommodation or other bonus payable. And you will probably have a zero hours contract for that too!
I have worked summer schools in the UK since 2007. Salary per hour last year was just under £12 I think. Again, no accom, bonus or even holiday pay included. |
Are you operating two aliases?
D-M and this one?
I think all native speaker host countries pay ESL teachers really low.
There isn't the demand as the student body is small and there are lots of FT returnees who want to continue in the field or because they are still as 'unskilled' as they were when they left.
The one transferable skill we can acquire in China and put to use back home, is language.
This is either to teach Chinese or enter the diplomatic service.
I know most countries with diplomatic ties to China, spend huge amounts on language skills for people posted here.
Someone coming in with that skill already in place should have an advantage.
That's provided other requirements are met. |
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D-M
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Not two aliases ... lost passwords and email address connected to Denim-Maniac, and so re-joined as D-M in the knowledge that some might still know me 
The demand for EFL teachers can actually be quite high at peak times in the UK ... I live in a small town and my summer teaching job offers employment for around 150 teachers over a typical season ... and considering I live in a town of about 80,000 ... thats a lot of people.
This whole thread is just nonsense really ... EFL in China probably pays way above the world average on an hourly basis, esp considering housing and other perks ... but that doesnt play well into the hands of the spammers who post this and other similar threads. |
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Non Sequitur
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Not two aliases ... lost passwords and email address connected to Denim-Maniac, and so re-joined as D-M in the knowledge that some might still know me
The demand for EFL teachers can actually be quite high at peak times in the UK ... I live in a small town and my summer teaching job offers employment for around 150 teachers over a typical season ... and considering I live in a town of about 80,000 ... thats a lot of people.
This whole thread is just nonsense really ... EFL in China probably pays way above the world average on an hourly basis, esp considering housing and other perks ... but that doesnt play well into the hands of the spammers who post this and other similar threads. |
Good to know you're the Denim Maniac of old.
I agree the site seems to be going through an epidemic of agenda-pushers over the last 12m or so.
Not sure about the 150/80000 ratio.
Is this in China or West? |
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Lost.And.Found
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I pull down 18 a month plus a free furnished apartment so I am happy for now. But to be honest I make more money on my stock trading and used teaching to get my Z visa to come play and explore in China for a while. I originally came to China a few years ago in the summer and never saw any of this god-awful soup they call air.
Maybe on the world scale of ESL pay China may be at the mid-point from what I've read. If I had to pick based on pay alone I probably would have gone with Singapore or the Netherlands but no desert countries. |
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D-M
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Good to know you're the Denim Maniac of old.
I agree the site seems to be going through an epidemic of agenda-pushers over the last 12m or so.
Not sure about the 150/80000 ratio.
Is this in China or West? |
It's in the West ... There are a LOT of ESL / EFL jobs in the UK in the summer. The organisation I have previously worked for have had between 40 - 50 teachers on a single summer group before. And they run more than one group at a time. There is always a lot of work for me in the UK, but only really in the summer ... But China pays much better, even in my low salary Chinese jobs!
But yeah ... The Denim-Maniac is still around ... UK at the moment but China bound again soon ... |
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spiral78
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| Maybe on the world scale of ESL pay China may be at the mid-point from what I've read. If I had to pick based on pay alone I probably would have gone with Singapore or the Netherlands but no desert countries. |
Unless you are FROM the Netherlands or the UK/Ireland, AND have upper-level qualifications and relevant experience, it's not a viable option. Job market is tiny, extremely competitive, and focused almost entirely on related (not generic) MA/PhD holders++ |
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Fergie
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: China Foreign Teachers Salaries Almost Lowest In World? |
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Why all the fricking hype about China when the salaries paid to ESL & TEFL teachers in China are almost the worst (lowest) in the world? And please don't start trying to sell "the low cost of living" argument because that means zero unless you plan to live the rest of your life in China! I have a real student loan to repay in American dollars not Chinese yuan!
I just visited a website sent to me by a teaching colleague in Dubai and it blew me away www.ChinaScamBusters.com There are 87 countries that pay ESL and TEFL teachers better average salaries than China. Yeah, China may be better than Haiti, Dominican Republic and Uruguay but they were never even on my top 20 list anyway! My bud in Dubai makes $50,000 a year plus he gets a free apartment with no roomates!
And I think no other country scam and cheats foreign teachers more than in China (maybe tied with Nigeria!). So why when I do a google search for teaching jobs in China, all these glorious ads pop up making China sound like paradise? Maybe its a great and easy place to get laid (from what I read) but I need to make money and not come home broke!
I think all those bogus ads are just put up so agents and recruiters can bamboozle and swindle someone out of half their salary and don't care about repeat business. I have never seen so much misleading propaganda about teaching in my life than the China crap on the internet. |
I disagree. Maybe this was true two or three years ago but today China salaries for foreign teachers are about mid-point on the world pay scale according to TEFL.com and the NEA. 23 countries pay better than China and 17 worse. For me personally the air pollution is a bigger problem for me than the low pay right now. |
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