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mysterytrain
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| To be fair, whether it's a school rule or not, to have a human guest overnight is a lot less hassle than having a large, foreign dog in your apartment 24/7. I wonder if you consulted with your roommate about having a dog there before the pooch's arrival, or did you have a slight oversight in the consultation process? Was it a case of "Hi, Heinous Philanderer, this is my dog, Mike Tyson." When your dog is locked in that apartment all day, where does he do his business? Does your roommate come home from a hard day's slog to be greeted by the dog's poop and piss? Does your roommate have to begrudgingly clean up the mess which you should be cleaning, so that he can at least have a feeling of superficial hygiene in your tiny Chinese apartment? |
"Mike Tyson" (assuming you refer to the notorious boxer, not another person with the same name) is not a likely comparison / anthropomorphization for a Boxer. If Mike Tyson is to be compared to a dog, it should be a (chronically mistreated) Pit Bull. Boxers are no Pit Bulls. They are not particularly aggressive at all, but rather quite playful, energetic and rambunctious. This, combined with their size and the fact that the breed are generally about as dumb as a bag of hammers, makes them bad candidates for "in house" dogs. I love dogs, but I would NOT want to share an apartment, in China or any other country, with a Boxer jumping and slobbering all over me. Thanks, but no thanks **.
** Although, for the sake of argument an imaginary Boxer might not be so bad. But can someone explain to me what benefit the OP would get from posting about a fabricated dog? He (or she) hasn't posted any STFU links here ...
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:05 am Post subject: |
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I was sent beautiful photos of the place and there was no roommate in the photos! And when they said it was walking distance to the DiTia (700 meters) and the backside of the building is on a park, that was enough for me.
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So, do you have a realistic solution to offer at this point short of homocide? |
Realistically? Other than committing "homocide," you have the following options:
a) Put up with the situation and work on a compromise with your roomie. Frankly, you have to take full responsibility for being gullible by not looking over the place beforehand. Once you and your pooch moved in, you gave your stamp of approval.
b) You and your dog move into your own place. Your sanity is more important than dealing with a strained roommate situation.
c) Find out when another apartment in the building will be available and put your paws on it before others do. If it also comes with a roommate, be nice if he's not a dog lover---offer to clean the toilet every week.
d) Rat out your roomie to get rid of him in order to have the whole apartment to yourself. Maybe he falsified his qualifications?
e) None of the above because this story was fabricated. |
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likwid_777
Joined: 04 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| mysterytrain wrote: |
| likwid_777 wrote: |
| To be fair, whether it's a school rule or not, to have a human guest overnight is a lot less hassle than having a large, foreign dog in your apartment 24/7. I wonder if you consulted with your roommate about having a dog there before the pooch's arrival, or did you have a slight oversight in the consultation process? Was it a case of "Hi, Heinous Philanderer, this is my dog, Mike Tyson." When your dog is locked in that apartment all day, where does he do his business? Does your roommate come home from a hard day's slog to be greeted by the dog's poop and piss? Does your roommate have to begrudgingly clean up the mess which you should be cleaning, so that he can at least have a feeling of superficial hygiene in your tiny Chinese apartment? |
"Mike Tyson" (assuming you refer to the notorious boxer, not another person with the same name) is not a likely comparison / anthropomorphization for a Boxer. If Mike Tyson is to be compared to a dog, it should be a (chronically mistreated) Pit Bull. Boxers are no Pit Bulls. They are not particularly aggressive at all, but rather quite playful, energetic and rambunctious. This, combined with their size and the fact that the breed are generally about as dumb as a bag of hammers, makes them bad candidates for "in house" dogs. I love dogs, but I would NOT want to share an apartment, in China or any other country, with a Boxer jumping and slobbering all over me. Thanks, but no thanks. |
Yup, I also do not want an uninvited dog slobbering on me when I arrive home. Not to mention, gloves on or off, dog **** stinks really badly. And yes, I was merely referring to the name of the breed for a little dramatic effect, not in relation to its temperament haha. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| likwid_777 wrote: |
| To be fair, whether it's a school rule or not, to have a human guest overnight is a lot less hassle than having a large, foreign dog in your apartment 24/7. |
Are Boxers actually foreign in China? What about the "Boxer Rebellion"? I never learned much about it, but the thought of a bunch of really dumb dogs rising up against their oppressors always struck me as both touching and kinda funny in a way. |
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Lost.And.Found
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Those of you who know dog breeds know that Boxers are very intelligent and stable dogs that don't get goofy like irish setters or labs. Unlike Bulldogs they don't drool and mine is trained to stay at my side or sleep on his bed. He won't shit or piss in the house and will sit by the door and whimper when he needs to go out.
Now tonight i expect a young lady to be here and I am going to ask her straight up if my dog frightens her for real, or if roomie just wants the apartment to himself. I have learned from two other neighbors that his lat two roommates left on bad terms and he has been alone for 2 months before I came along. He is not dirty, but a is a little bossy and has the most horrific farts you can imagine. Aside from that he smokes a pack a day and those two "aromas" force me to open the windows 24/7 and he complains about the traffic noise and pollution.
Who is the resident expert on this forum about contracts because if I can't resolve this crap this weekend, I am going to make stand based on my contract on Monday. |
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likwid_777
Joined: 04 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| mysterytrain wrote: |
| likwid_777 wrote: |
| To be fair, whether it's a school rule or not, to have a human guest overnight is a lot less hassle than having a large, foreign dog in your apartment 24/7. |
Are Boxers actually foreign in China? What about the "Boxer Rebellion"? I never learned much about it, but the thought of a bunch of really dumb dogs rising up against their oppressors always struck me as both touching and kinda funny in a way. |
Haha, foreign as in strange and unfamiliar.
LaF, my bro, when talking to the lady friend, you should get her to hook you up. Start filming a new sitcom, one so appealing that it will get high ratings in both the US and China. You can play happy families with your new girlfriend, your roommate and his missus, and the pooch could act as a relationship mediator. His melancholy face would be hilarious when his thoughts are expressed by a B grade celebrity's voice/narration, while he is lamenting over the wackiness of your cross cultural relationships. |
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water rat
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I don't think you have to ask the young lady if she is afraid of the dog. Your amazing powers of perception ought to suffice.
Yes, your apartment life ought to be a dual-nation reality show. I'd watch it, and I don't even have a TV.  |
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litterascriptor
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Just a shout out to the room mate, mad props for hooking up with 3 different birds in 2 months.
That being said, I encourage the roomie to start feeding this dog large portions of beef and ex-lax and locking him in the OP's room for hours on end.
The ensuing tears of rage ought to be delicious, can't want to see the thread for that. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Lost.And.Found wrote: |
Those of you who know dog breeds know that Boxers are very intelligent and stable dogs
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Who is the resident expert on this forum about contracts because if I can't resolve this crap this weekend, I am going to make stand based on my contract on Monday. |
Boxers, intelligent dogs?  Now I'm sure this must be an "imaginary friend".
I kept a Border Collie for twelve years. We're talking diametrically opposite ends of the scale on intelligence, though there is some similarity between the two in terms of energy level, if not in stamina. Still, I wouldn't enter a Boxer in a skill and agility trial, nor ask one to be responsible for a herd of sheep ... good luck with that, and no undue offense to you or your imaginary best friend.
Okay, I will offer you my ("pro bono") services as "resident expert on contracts in China".
If you signed a contract without a clear statement within it that you (Party B) would be provided with "self-contained, single" or "private" accommodation, you're up shit creek without a dog toy to paddle you out. Nothing mentioned in an email, nor any photos of stately mansions emailed to you, is likely to help your case much. So, based on your contract (unless it specifically mentions single, non-shared accommodation, as stated above), you haven't got a leg to stand on.
And you don't have a "right" as a foreigner in China to keep a dog, at least not in any apartment building as you see fit, any more than you would in your home country. That "right" is more like a "privilege" that must be negotiated, formally or informally, with the employer who provides your housing and / or your landlord **, who have every "right" to deny the privilege, like it or not (and believe me, I have been on the opposite end of "liking it" myself). ** And, apparently, with your roomie from Hecksville. |
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Listerine
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the sincere explanation. Did you know that 40% of the animals that go through China quarantine don't make it? |
Can you let us know where this stat came from? Thanks |
Yep. B.S statistic. |
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Bud Powell
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My new employer lured me with free housing…
You know, now that you mention this, I was never once told I would have a roommate until I walked into the apartment…
Today I just found out that another colleague read about my problem here on Dave's and told my roomie about it…
But it seems nobody really wants to live with this guy and now that he is reading this thread I have to be careful what I say…
… my emails from the FAO said was getting "your own furnished apartment complete with cable TV and internet connection" so in my book the roomie is a problem for the FAO not me…
I have learned from two other neighbors that his lat two roommates left on bad terms…He is not dirty, but a is a little bossy and has the most horrific farts you can imagine.
I don't know what to think. Have you contacted the CFTU? This sounds like it's right up their alley. |
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Lost.And.Found
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
My new employer lured me with free housing…
You know, now that you mention this, I was never once told I would have a roommate until I walked into the apartment…
Today I just found out that another colleague read about my problem here on Dave's and told my roomie about it…
But it seems nobody really wants to live with this guy and now that he is reading this thread I have to be careful what I say…
… my emails from the FAO said was getting "your own furnished apartment complete with cable TV and internet connection" so in my book the roomie is a problem for the FAO not me…
I have learned from two other neighbors that his lat two roommates left on bad terms…He is not dirty, but a is a little bossy and has the most horrific farts you can imagine.
I don't know what to think. Have you contacted the CFTU? This sounds like it's right up their alley. |
Actually I did send them an email and got a reply that they are not allowed to give legal advice to the public and suggest I just talk with the FAO. But I tried that twice and he told me he is too busy to get involved. |
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rattie
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Just my two bob's worth. How long do you have left on your contract? You need to find some kind of compromise with your flatmate and live the time out as peacefully as possible. I wouldn't recommend going out and finding a flat on your own with your dog as the chances of your contract being renewed at the end are zilch.
FAOs do not like being dragged into what they see as problems outside their area of responsibility. Anything you need to ask for assistance with that is not directly related to how happy you are to be there is considered 'mafaan'. You made him answer emails? About issues unrelated directly to your work! Gasp, horror, don't make long term plans for that school.
I hope I don't sound flippant, but my experience of FAOs has had it's dark moments and I know they can't be depended on for help and when asked for help they see you as a problem, and problems are removed as quickly as possible.
I've been in a similar situation myself, dog, and just found a college with private flats, in the outer suburbs, with permission to keep my pet and now my mutt and I are cosy and comfortable and secure. I know this doesn't help your immediate issues, just forewarning so you don't go out and spend a huge sum of money on another place to live that will likely end up being for a shorter term than you expect.
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Lost.And.Found
Joined: 20 Jan 2015
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Just my two bob's worth. How long do you have left on your contract? You need to find some kind of compromise with your flatmate and live the time out as peacefully as possible. I wouldn't recommend going out and finding a flat on your own with your dog as the chances of your contract being renewed at the end are zilch.
FAOs do not like being dragged into what they see as problems outside their area of responsibility. Anything you need to ask for assistance with that is not directly related to how happy you are to be there is considered 'mafaan'. You made him answer emails? About issues unrelated directly to your work! Gasp, horror, don't make long term plans for that school.
I hope I don't sound flippant, but my experience of FAOs has had it's dark moments and I know they can't be depended on for help and when asked for help they see you as a problem, and problems are removed as quickly as possible.
I've been in a similar situation myself, dog, and just found a college with private flats, in the outer suburbs, with permission to keep my pet and now my mutt and I are cosy and comfortable and secure. I know this doesn't help your immediate issues, just forewarning so you don't go out and spend a huge sum of money on another place to live that will likely end up being for a shorter term than you expect.
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I appreciate the honesty. I also feel like the FAO thinks their job is done once I sign the contract. My contract expires in June but Expertise Education is offering me a position starting in March and I am awaiting all the details now - in case things don't work out. Btw... Roomie's girl came over last night and I introduced her to Butch and she was not at all afraid to pet him and give him snacks. She even offered to take the dog for a walk in the park which really pissed off roomie. So now at least I know 1 of the 3 girls is not afraid of dogs.
I am going to try one last talk with roomie, a private talk with the principal who still does not know we even have a problem, and give up on the FAO. This is a really nice apt 105 square meters with the cleanest bathroom I have yet to see in Beijing other than xin jiang muslim restaurant. Another friend of mine suggested I buy roomie a peace offering of Johnnie Walker - what do you think? |
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asiannationmc
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| But I tried that twice and he told me he is too busy to get involved. |
Inform anyone who ask that you have sorted it out with the FAO and act as if it is all cool, refer them to him and continue to do so til they burn out. |
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