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Maitoshi
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| jkozera wrote: |
| i just got offered a job with aeon and I am super excited. gonna leave as soon as i graduate this summer |
Congratulations! Do you know what area you will be sent? |
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rslrunner
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I live in the United States. I am fine. Thanks for the concern. |
So you stopped TEFL (or TESL depending on location) after the AEON experience?
I realise you might believe everything you say, but what are you gaining by this? Are you not eating yourself up inside, still talking about the company that sacked you almost 2 years later? Isn't it time to forget about all of this and move on? Why is this so important to you? |
I explained this in detail on the Cult Education forum and before.
http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?3,127409
But I’ll do it again. Sorry to those who have seen this before.
I don’t write any of this because of my experience in Japan, as bad as it was. I was a holy mess at the initial training. I had a serious case of pneumonia. Even if perfectly healthy, there would have been problems. I wanted to teach English through their methodology, but not change my personality in the process. Nevertheless, AEON had the right to let me go, and I can understand their decision.
I wrote all this because of what happened after I came back from Japan. When an AEON representative from the New York told my attorney, (and I doubt that they are the same company as Aeon in name, so their threat was an empty threat to begin with) that I should “shut the hell up” after I wrote about my immediate experience, the person forgot that we are not in Japan, but the United States.
My Aeon contact, once that contract was terminated, once my visa was cancelled and once I set foot again in the United States, was meaningless. A huge expense as well, as I earned about $230 while in Japan, and spent more than $1,000 just to get there, forget time, effort, lost opportunities, etc…. The First Amendment, meanwhile, and the right to freedom of speech that it promises, is sacrosanct. The New York office needed to be reminded of this, in a very big way.
I took this comment, to my attorney no less, as a legal and serious threat. Something inside me came into being that refused to abide by this, and I would rather have done absolutely anything, let alone be sued, than to be cowed by anyone who was telling me to “shut the hell up”. I feel this way to this day.
Guess what legal action has been taken against me? None. You know why? Because my contract only applies in Japan. If the company wants to to try to extradite me for doing nothing more than assessing the company on a website, they should have gone for it. If they weren’t willing to do that, they never should have made the threat in the first place.
I guess the moral of the story is that if you want someone to do something, threatening or browbeating them or pushing them around can be a very counter-productive approach.
By the way, and this is important: the threat of legal action from a group for doing nothing more than speaking one’s mind is often a flashing red sign that you are dealing with a cult. |
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rslrunner
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting....
Okay, so I'll rephrase my question. rslrunner, you're in the US and stuff, but have you ever had a job that you enjoyed to some degree? |
Yes, I've had jobs that I have enjoyed to varying degrees. |
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rslrunner
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jkozera wrote: |
| i just got offered a job with aeon and I am super excited. gonna leave as soon as i graduate this summer |
Congratulations and good luck. My sincere advice is to avoid distracting habits and to avoid distracting extremes. |
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Maitoshi
Joined: 04 May 2014
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| rslrunner wrote: |
| jkozera wrote: |
| i just got offered a job with aeon and I am super excited. gonna leave as soon as i graduate this summer |
Congratulations and good luck. My sincere advice is to avoid distracting habits and to avoid distracting extremes. |
Excellent advice for all aspects of life! |
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jkozera
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Maitoshi wrote: |
| jkozera wrote: |
| i just got offered a job with aeon and I am super excited. gonna leave as soon as i graduate this summer |
Congratulations! Do you know what area you will be sent? |
not yet, wont know till April since I wont have my BA until June |
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rslrunner
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Pitarou
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| It's time for the arrogant, cultish nature of this group to be acknowledged, addressed and repudiated. |
Everybody except you already does repudiate AEON's "cultish nature". |
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rslrunner
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Pitarou
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I was discussing your claims of Aeon's cultishness, not the working hours. If you're going to quote me, please make your comments relevant to the quote.
Having said that, the article you linked to is well worth discussing, and I don't think I've seen it mentioned on this forum before. Why don't you look up the original Asahi Shimbun source, and post it as a new thread? |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to point out that this article is written about a Japanese national who committed suicide from overwork. It is a tragedy, to be certain, but I'm not sure how it is related to the original premise. Would you please clarify? |
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rtm
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| I would like to point out that this article is written about a Japanese national who committed suicide from overwork. It is a tragedy, to be certain, but I'm not sure how it is related to the original premise. Would you please clarify? |
The other big difference is that the person in the article worked overtime at work, and, in addition, roughly 111 hours of overtime at home. Those added together make around 30 hours per week of overtime spent actually doing work-related tasks. This is quite a bit different from the 2.5 hours per week of arriving at work early and cleaning things up at the end of the day that rslrunner is talking about. |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| I almost mentioned that, too, rtm, but I couldn't remember if rslrunner mentioned the 2.5 hours per week in the cult thread. I'm having trouble keeping it all straight. |
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jkozera
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Maitoshi wrote: |
| jkozera wrote: |
| i just got offered a job with aeon and I am super excited. gonna leave as soon as i graduate this summer |
Congratulations! Do you know what area you will be sent? |
I will be in the Northern area. Since I am not there yet, I am told to keep info online to a bare minimum. I leave next month so I am pretty excited. |
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rslrunner
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| rtm wrote: |
| Maitoshi wrote: |
| I would like to point out that this article is written about a Japanese national who committed suicide from overwork. It is a tragedy, to be certain, but I'm not sure how it is related to the original premise. Would you please clarify? |
The other big difference is that the person in the article worked overtime at work, and, in addition, roughly 111 hours of overtime at home. Those added together make around 30 hours per week of overtime spent actually doing work-related tasks. This is quite a bit different from the 2.5 hours per week of arriving at work early and cleaning things up at the end of the day that rslrunner is talking about. |
The tragic suicide provides an extreme example of what happens when a company considers it virtuous to exert total control over a person, and the victim believes they she has no choice but to endure it. |
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