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Walsh
Joined: 19 Feb 2015 Posts: 24
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:23 pm Post subject: Is there any legal way to retire in China even if divorced? |
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| There's a friend of mine, an older guy who married a Chinese girl about 10 years younger than him and now her family is sort of pressuring her to shake him down for monthly support (for them) or she'll divorce him and he supposedly won't be able to retire in Haikou like he plans. What are his options if any? He gets a veteran's pension and does day trading aside from tutoring. He bought his Z visa from what I understand. Does a foreigner have to be married to a Chinese to retire here? He originally came and worked as a professor at Minzu for about five years but they fired him for answering questions about from the students about political topics. Another thought, what if you married a Chinese lady and she got sick and died, or killed in an accident? Would that stop a guy from remaining in China to retire? |
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toteach
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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It's my understanding that ALL foreign workers eventually "age out" of working in China, no matter if they're married to a local or not.
A previous colleague is married to a Chinese gal and has been working here for a bit more than 10 years. He reached age 62 this year and his employer of 3 years was unable to renew his Z-visa because of local laws (Jiangsu). He was forced to go back to Canada when his visa ran out. They're trying to sort it out now, but it's not looking good. He'll likely never be able to return to China on a worker's visa. |
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Fergie
Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Posts: 34 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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It's my understanding that ALL foreign workers eventually "age out" of working in China, no matter if they're married to a local or not.
A previous colleague is married to a Chinese gal and has been working here for a bit more than 10 years. He reached age 62 this year and his employer of 3 years was unable to renew his Z-visa because of local laws (Jiangsu). He was forced to go back to Canada when his visa ran out. They're trying to sort it out now, but it's not looking good. He'll likely never be able to return to China on a worker's visa. |
Are you sure about this or just guessing? I mean what about a guy from American who marries a Chinese girl and has kids here? Are you saying he has to abandon his family just because he turns 62? Where are you getting your information? |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 527 Location: Kuala Lumpur
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| toteach wrote: |
It's my understanding that ALL foreign workers eventually "age out" of working in China, no matter if they're married to a local or not.
A previous colleague is married to a Chinese gal and has been working here for a bit more than 10 years. He reached age 62 this year and his employer of 3 years was unable to renew his Z-visa because of local laws (Jiangsu). He was forced to go back to Canada when his visa ran out. They're trying to sort it out now, but it's not looking good. He'll likely never be able to return to China on a worker's visa. |
toteach, Z visas don't get renewed, they expire within 30 days of being used. A residence permit can however be renewed, which is what I'm sure you meant. The Z visa/residence permit isn't the only way for a foreigner to legally remain in the country. There are other visas, D for example, that allow long term or permanent stays, but whether or not your colleague qualifies for or can get one is another matter. Someone with family in China, income, and no criminal record probably has as good a chance as any. |
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asiannationmc
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Are you sure about this or just guessing? I mean what about a guy from American who marries a Chinese girl and has kids here? Are you saying he has to abandon his family just because he turns 62? Where are you getting your information? |
Hold on tho your horses and read the post. Yes age 60 is the usual conclusion of a work career in China, but Family visitations visas are available with 10 years being the cap, and many families I knw are taking advantage of it. No retirement visa though tht I am aware of. Possible boarder cross overs may be required. |
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rogerwilco
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Retire in Haikou ?
If he has access to US$1000 a month there are much nicer places in Asia to retire. |
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toteach
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Are you sure about this or just guessing? I mean what about a guy from American who marries a Chinese girl and has kids here? Are you saying he has to abandon his family just because he turns 62? Where are you getting your information? |
Hold on tho your horses and read the post. Yes age 60 is the usual conclusion of a work career in China, but Family visitations visas are available with 10 years being the cap, and many families I knw are taking advantage of it. No retirement visa though tht I am aware of. Possible boarder cross overs may be required. |
I didn't realize we were talking only "Americans" here. My previous colleague is Canadian. I am NOT guessing, because this is happening right now. He is in unhappily in Canada while his wife is in unhappily Suzhou. I am getting my information first person, from them both, as this terrible drama unfolds.
Thanks, Asiannationmc, I'll forward on the info about the possible "family visitation" option. These are very smart people (both have Doctorates), and they've been rejected at every turn by the red tape in Jiangsu. |
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wangdaning
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It was brought up at some point in my marriage about paying for the inlaws (生活费 sheng huo fei). I know what it is, but it should be put on any male of their family in the younger generation, not on the spouse of their daughter (at least traditionally). Anyway, I was already sending lots of money home to help my own mother, which is more important to me. After a discussion where all of this came out, the inlaws said never mind. My point is, maybe they should try to work it out. There is some logic to how culture works here, sometimes you just have to bluntly point it out. I am my mother's son and I will support her, you married your daughter to my family and I will support her, and this is tradition.
Father inlaw, do you pay money to mother inlaws family?
No.
Why not?
They don't need it.
Do you need it?
No.
My mom needs it!
Oh.
All this aside I would help them if they needed it. They are her family. But monthly tributes is not my thing, and if it comes up again, well as I told her the first time, you can pay them with money from your own work.
Sadly, her father passed away, and I miss the guy. No money was asked of me. Seems we have settled that issue. Now, I have a son, so I don't think they will be asking for money. You never know though, her cousin is getting married and she asked me how big of a hongbao to give.
I have been avoiding at all costs the give you give me culture here. I give you for x and you give me for y. It makes sense, but I still can't stomach it for some reason. My mother inlaw gave use 10,000 Yuan, I told my wife not to take it. I am going to give it back to her as soon as I see her, I know it is a way of holding it over our heads, my wife does not see that. |
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Fergie
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Are you sure about this or just guessing? I mean what about a guy from American who marries a Chinese girl and has kids here? Are you saying he has to abandon his family just because he turns 62? Where are you getting your information? |
Hold on tho your horses and read the post. Yes age 60 is the usual conclusion of a work career in China, but Family visitations visas are available with 10 years being the cap, and many families I knw are taking advantage of it. No retirement visa though tht I am aware of. Possible boarder cross overs may be required. |
I didn't realize we were talking only "Americans" here. My previous colleague is Canadian. I am NOT guessing, because this is happening right now. He is in unhappily in Canada while his wife is in unhappily Suzhou. I am getting my information first person, from them both, as this terrible drama unfolds.
Thanks, Asiannationmc, I'll forward on the info about the possible "family visitation" option. These are very smart people (both have Doctorates), and they've been rejected at every turn by the red tape in Jiangsu. |
That seems so inhumane. I thought there were international treaties that prevent forced separation of families. Can you PM me an email so I can put my friend in direct contact with yours? Two heads are always better than one and maybe they can brainstorm. Thanks |
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asiannationmc
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| I'll forward on the info about the possible "family visitation" option. |
Actually in the past it was the (L) tourist but was extended for one year....the info I gave is from Americans who have Chinese wives. Hope your friend can use this info to get here or her there. |
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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 738 Location: Chengdu
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| If you get married and have successfully done so for what I believe is 3-5ish years, you can apply for your own PR. You can't legally work on it, but it will give you a way to stay in the mainland for a long time aka forever. |
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talentedcrayon
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Is there any legal way to retire in China even if divorc |
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| Another thought, what if you married a Chinese lady and she got sick and died, or killed in an accident? Would that stop a guy from remaining in China to retire? |
As long as "your friend" makes it look like an accident... I recommend alcohol + car + passed out + placing her in the drivers seat + roll car down a ravine into a river.
Seriously OP... why would you ask about that? It honestly reads like your friend is looking to murder his wife. |
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