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Assassination of Nemtsov
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha ha! You had me going there. I expected to read something with some biting analysis, some sort of reasoning.

Instead there is just the usual scare-mongering bilge...
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are very talented at what you do. If you really are an English teacher, you are probably underpaid and could use some extra income. I hear Putin pays good money for what you do here for free. Or are you already on his payroll?

Here's some more work for you to do:

http://therightscoop.com/ralph-peters-predicts-new-russian-purges-and-a-dark-period-of-increased-putin-authoritarianism/
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talented at what I do? Teach English? Yes, you are right. Thanks.

If you mean, however, challenge the misconceptions that pass for truthful reporting on your media sources, then that doesn't take much talent at all.

Love the personal dig, and sinister allegations, though. Very classy. And original.
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/28/lessons-from-the-death-of-russias-boris-nemtsov-a-putin-foe/
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia has become a country where critics are labelled traitors. And now, one of the sharpest voices of dissent has been silenced.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirens of Cyprus wrote:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/28/lessons-from-the-death-of-russias-boris-nemtsov-a-putin-foe/


False analogies, and more supposition.
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Phillip Schofield



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so lets ask the question WHY?

Why would the Russian government want to KILL a man who was an ineffective member of the opposition at a time when Putin's rating among the Russian people is over 80%?

A man who most Russians didn't even know about until after he was killed.

Why would the Russian government want to bring so much attention to themselves when they have many other tried and tests methods of silencing opponents?

But again, lets keep in mind that the Russian government NEEDS opposition in order to show people that Russia is a democracy and opposition exists.
Nemtsov was a perfect member of the opposition. He existed and posed no threat to Putin in the slightest.

Why would the government kill such a useful person? And why would they kill him in the most public method possible which would get the most international publicity and criticism?
Russia is a nation that poisons you with radioactive poison! Or acts as a close friend for several years and then sticks and ice pick in your head. Russia is a nation which has perfected over the top assassinations.
This 'drive by' is hardly Russian style.

Lets face it, whatever Putin is, he sure as hell isn't stupid. Would a man who has been masterfully screwing everyone over in Ukraine conduct such an amateur killing?

Poroshenko was quick to explain that Nemtsov had 'proof' that Russia is involved in Ukraine. What was Nemtsov going to follow that up with? A report on how the sea is wet? Everyone knows that Russia is at least supplying gear to the east. It's hardly news and it's certainly not anything Putin would care about. Russia could quite simply deny it, as they have denied everything else and claim that Nemtsov was being paid by Ukraine or the US to spread propaganda. Within a week Nemtsov and his report would have been forgotten.

His death, however, is not something that will not be forgotten soon.

Nemtsov's death is possibly the most inconvenient thing that could happen (in Nemtsov based scenarios)


The suspects were supposedly armed with police pistols.

I forget the term for when the evidence is so perfect that it can only be a lie. But this seems very much like one of those cases. The only thing missing was a large sign on top of the car involved which read "PUTIN DID IT".

I suspect (and this is just a suspicion) that Kiev had a hand in it.
Who would benefit from this most? I'd say it's a nice bit of pay back from Poroshenko. He was very quick to jump in with his own story and point fingers at Putin.


Dedicated wrote:
Russia has become a country where critics are labelled traitors. And now, one of the sharpest voices of dissent has been silenced.


But he really wasn't. His importance is completely overstated. Even the band, whose name is blocked on this forum (Small Cat Riot), were more of a threat than he was. As I said, I have met only 1 Russian who knew who he was before this weekend.

Basically, hundreds of people benefit from Nemtsov's death. The one person who doesn't is Putin.
Just because you dislike Putin doesn't mean that you have to believe in every nonsensical statement against him. If the media started reporting that Putin invented Cancer, I am convinced that half the western population would disregard all sense and reason and believe it. Indeed, a portion of this forum would certainly do that.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phillip, you are clearly a Putin-bot typing to order : )
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sophistry
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Phillip Schofield



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted something similar to this on The Guardian website. The post was deleted within 4 minutes and my account was put on pre-moderating. So the mods now have to check and confirm everything that I write before it's posted.

We like to mock state run media such as Russia's and China's, yet our 'free' media censors any opinion which is different.

I posted a few comments questioning the accuracy of Poroshenko's past claims. There were two occasions when Poroshenko (back in the early days of the war) claimed that convoys of Russian tanks had been destroyed by Ukrainian forces.
The first claim was that 16 Russian tanks had been destroyed without injury to Ukraine's military. The second claim, a few weeks later, was that a convoy of 20 Russian tanks had been swiftly destroyed.

I questioned why there was absolutely no photographic, independent or satellite imaging of these convoys. In all cases, my posts were instantly deleted. Basically, the British media censors public discussion just as much as the Russian media. It's sad.

You either hate Putin, or you're not allowed to voice an opinion.


Sirens of Cyprus wrote:
sophistry


Such a post is hardly conductive to an intelligent discussion.
Please provide your counter argument, so we can do this like grown ups. Or perhaps your next move with be to invoke Godwin's law.
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late for class. This will have to hold you.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/03/02/how-war-in-ukraine-led-to-russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsovs-death/

Good to hear the Guardian deleted that nonsense.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most interesting part of the Reuters article was the comments section. The article itself is just usual mix of half-truth, innuendo and blatant propagandizing.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirens of Cyprus wrote:


Good to hear the Guardian deleted that nonsense.


Bastion of free speech that it is, eh?
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a propaganda war. Martial law should apply.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply to the media of the whole world?
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