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Mr. English
Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 298 Location: Nakuru, Kenya
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: question re subject verb agreement |
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| The sentence that I read is "… electrons are a useful model that explains observations like …". Is the subject of this sentence "electrons", and thus "electrons explain", or "model", and thus "model explains"? I have tried to figure it using Swan's "Practical English Usage" but am unable to find a definitive explanation (though of course it might be there). Thanks for answers. Glorious English! |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Mr. English,
It's a complex sentence with "electrons" in the independent clause the subject of "are," but in the adjective clause, "that," which refers to "model" is the subject of explains."
So, "explains" needs to be singular to agree with "that" (which refers to the singular "model).
Hope that helps.
Regards,
John |
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Mr. English
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It does. |
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Mr. English
Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 298 Location: Nakuru, Kenya
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:34 am Post subject: |
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But as I look at it some more, I remain unconvinced. It seems to me that "electrons are" and "electrons explain". The fact that electrons "are a useful model" is fine, and I understand that "that" would usually refer back to the nearest noun, but my sense of the sentence is that electrons are doing the explaining.
Does anyone else have a thought about it? |
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psychedelicacy
Joined: 05 Oct 2013 Posts: 180 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| The elephant in the room is "a useful model". Think of some other way to describe electrons and the problem disappears - both the grammatical problem and the inaccuracy/awkwardness of characterizing electrons as "a useful model" in the first place. |
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esl_prof

Joined: 30 Nov 2013 Posts: 2006 Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| psychedelicacy wrote: |
| The elephant in the room is "a useful model". Think of some other way to describe electrons and the problem disappears - both the grammatical problem and the inaccuracy/awkwardness of characterizing electrons as "a useful model" in the first place. |
In other words, you're suggesting the problem is semantic not grammatical, which means that Johnslat is correct. I've checked my grammar books and, as far as I can tell, their explanations appear to be consistent with John's. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well, let me put it this way. Let's say you have this sentence:
People are a big part of the problem, which is not going to go away.
"People" is the subject of "are" in the independent clause (everything before the comma).
The relative pronoun "which" refers back to "problem" - not to people (because, of course, "which" can't be used with "people").
"Problem" is singular, so the subject of the adjective clause (which is which - sorry, couldn't resist) is singular, which (there I go again ) is why the verb "is" in the subordinate adjective clause has to be singular.
You wouldn't want this, would you?
People are a big part of the problem, who are not going to go away.
Regards,
John |
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AGoodStory
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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But as I look at it some more, I remain unconvinced.
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Convince yourself! Johnslat's analysis is correct.
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water rat

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