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Anyone have experience with third-tier cities?
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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:23 pm    Post subject: Anyone have experience with third-tier cities? Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I am interested in teaching in a third-tier city and hoping to get some information from you guys.

Has anybody here ever taught in a third-tier city? If so, would you mind sharing your experience and thoughts on it?

Does it make it easier to learn the language? Are the locals friendlier? What are the pros and cons? What was it like teaching there? Are they more laid back than first-tier cities? What are some good third-tier cities? Any interesting stories you're willing to share?

Thanks.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd tier cities are still sizable locations.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:35 am    Post subject: Friendly Reply with quote

I have only been here a short time - but in general, the less famous places have friendlier locals, since there are fewer foreigners - and that can be an advantage.

Plus, in a third tier city, you will have the chance to make more friends, because in general your skills and competence will be in high demand by many, and this is not a criticism, but a reality check in China.

Different locations have different dialects and accents in China, but 'putonghua' (national language) is the lingua franca known and used by almost everyone as the default language for Chinese who come from different regions - so you will hear it spoken every day.

In general they (third tier cities) would be more laid back with less stress, but with generally - a lower salary, somewhat compensated by a lower cost of living - with most meals available in the 6-10 rmb range ($1.00 - $1.50 u.s. dollars). Even with a salary of 5000 rmb ($800 u.s.), you may save part of your salary.

As the original poster stated, many third tier cities are large by western standards, and that can mean up to almost 500,000 inhabitants, or more!

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shaka



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this post a joke?

The ability to save money is the primary, perhaps only reason why I and many others are here.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dblkhqc wrote:
I'm interested in why people focus on this "tier" system ... why?

In addition, what is your definition of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, or more tier? Population? Economic status, what?

Trust me, after 11 years in China, being in a city with fewer foreigners, or where you are the only one is not an advantage. It only makes you stand out in ways you may not want. Intentionally trying to hide is one thing, making yourself conspicuous is another.

Why in the need of a "3rd tier" city?

Cities are cities. A village on the other hand is nice and small.

And, I simple don't understand the fascination with people so focused on saving money... IN CHINA. Your salary is far below the U.S. poverty line and you think you can save sizable sums. Why not get a job in America? Korea? Japan? China is not a money country.

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I know the truth Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


The Tier system is set in the provincial admin. It's not a hierarchy prescribed by teachers or expats.
Motor Vehicle number plates even include a '1' '2' '3' etc to denote the city level where the vehicle is registered.
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Son of Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dblkhqc wrote:


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I know the truth Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


This board is for sharing information, so feel free to share, man of letters.
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happyinshangqiu



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Third tier cities are alright though adaptability is dependent on the person rather than the livability of the city. A fair few teachers are unable to live without cheese, coffee, Mexican/Indian food - if you can't and need certain western comforts then give them a miss.

All the third tier cities I have lived in have KFC (at least one) Dicos, a hypermarket of some kind, even a Walmart if you are lucky. It probably won't have Starbucks, Pizza Hut and it may or may not have a McDonalds. Gyms will be expensive and somewhat grotty (with crap equipment) though it will be safe and interesting in their own way.

My time in China has been in third tier cities and you adapt if you give it time, first and second tier cities are comparitively luxurious in comparison - a subway system? Superb!
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyinshangqiu wrote:


All the third tier cities I have lived in have KFC (at least one) Dicos, a hypermarket of some kind, even a Walmart if you are lucky.


Newbies to China should understand that Walmart in China is nothing like Walmarts in other countries. They should not expect to find the same selection that they will find back home.
Most of the time I cannot tell the difference between a Walmart in China, and the numerous other stores that seem to be crammed full mostly of cooking oil and packaged chicken feet.
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Simon in Suzhou



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The internet is your friend. You can get ANYTHING you want on taobao and have it delivered to whatever backwater village you may choose to exile yourself to. If you are not tech nor language saavy, make a local friend who would be more than happy to help you get your coffee and cheese.

Of course your salary may be so low that the cheese will break your bank...
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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3rd tier cities are still sizable locations.


I am well aware of that, thanks.

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I have only been here a short time - but in general, the less famous places have friendlier locals, since there are fewer foreigners - and that can be an advantage.

Plus, in a third tier city, you will have the chance to make more friends, because in general your skills and competence will be in high demand by many, and this is not a criticism, but a reality check in China.

Different locations have different dialects and accents in China, but 'putonghua' (national language) is the lingua franca known and used by almost everyone as the default language for Chinese who come from different regions - so you will hear it spoken every day.

In general they (third tier cities) would be more laid back with less stress, but with generally - a lower salary, somewhat compensated by a lower cost of living - with most meals available in the 6-10 rmb range ($1.00 - $1.50 u.s. dollars). Even with a salary of 5000 rmb ($800 u.s.), you may save part of your salary.

As the original poster stated, many third tier cities are large by western standards, and that can mean up to almost 500,000 inhabitants, or more!


Thanks for the info! This is about what I expected. Am I mistaken though in thinking third tier cities are generally in the 1 million - 4 million range in terms of population?

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I'm interested in why people focus on this "tier" system ... why?


Becuase it actually is a system of classification within China and it's a relatively simple way of referring to cities in a certain range of population/development.

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Trust me, after 11 years in China, being in a city with fewer foreigners, or where you are the only one is not an advantage. It only makes you stand out in ways you may not want. Intentionally trying to hide is one thing, making yourself conspicuous is another.


Did I say I had been in China for 11 years or that I planned to live there for 11 years? My only experience in China is a one year university exchange.

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Why in the need of a "3rd tier" city?


Because I have already experienced life in a 1st tier Chinese city and want to try something different. I also want to avoid large amounts of other Westerners and befriend more Chinese people in order to become more intimate with their culture. I study Mandarin in university and would like to continue studying while in China, so I would like to avoid English-speakers.

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Cities are cities. A village on the other hand is nice and small.


Yeah, 1st tier cities and 3rd tier cities are EXACTLY the same, because they are both classified as cities.

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And, I simple don't understand the fascination with people so focused on saving money... IN CHINA. Your salary is far below the U.S. poverty line and you think you can save sizable sums. Why not get a job in America? Korea? Japan? China is not a money country.


Is this directed at me? Where did I say that my main goal is to save money? As I stated above, I have an interest in Chinese culture and language.

Thanks for the info everyone.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edited to reflect that the post I responded to was pulled (probably for violations of the rules, but I don't know for sure.)

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Unchained English



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am interested in teaching in a third-tier city and hoping to get some information from you guys.


You're going about this all wrong. If you were going to buy some clothes, you wouldn't ask, "I am interested in wearing some small clothes and hoping to get some information from you guys."

It completely depends on other factors. What kind of city do you want to live in? First I would choose hot or cold climate. Shanghai and Beijing are tier 1 cities, but that is where they end in similarities.

You should visit cities first before you decide to move there.
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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What kind of city do you want to live in?


I want to live in a relatively small city with few other foreigners, few English speakers, and a more traditional Chinese culture. Based on what I've read and my own experience in China, these are general characteristics of third tier cities. Yes, I'm aware that not every third tier city is the same and that this is only a generalization, so PLEASE don't reply with the cliche "every city is different" because I already know that.

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First I would choose hot or cold climate.


Climate is pretty far down on the list of things that are important to me. I would prefer a warm place, but a colder place is perfectly acceptable. The only thing I don't want is an extreme northern city like Harbin.

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You should visit cities first before you decide to move there.


It would be nice if I had the time and money to visit every city I might want to live in. Unfortunately, I do not.
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Nano



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I enjoy living in a third tier city. I've been here since Sept 2014. The population of Qinhuangdao is about 3 million. There is only another foreign teacher at my school and foreigners in general in this city are rare enough that I stare at them just like the Chinese stare at me. I only usually see foreigners when I go to the city centre and I usually only see one during my whole time there.

My city is also quite clean and my school is in the Development zone so everything is quite new. Cost of living is cheap. Locals are very friendly and want to get to know you. We have KFC, pizza hut, Tesco, carrefour, Mcdonalds, one starbucks.

I think most foreign teachers that come here can't stay here very long. There isn't much entertainment and the previous foreign teachers usually went to Beijing over the weekend cause they couldn't stay here and do nothing. I am different. I live a simple lifestyle, don't feel very lonely, and have only been to Beijing once (excluding times I've been to airport area). I cook simple meals at home usually and do not crave western/foreign food. During most of my free time on weekends I meditate/stay home or stroll around by myself in the city centre.

People that speak conversational english are rare. You'll get plenty of "Hellooo"s but that's about it. As a result, I practice Chinese quite often.

So yeah, living in a 3rd tier city has been pleasant for me but I'm a bit of a loner. If you are similar than I am sure you will enjoy it too. If not, well...
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Son of Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work ONLY in cities of 2- 2.5M people. If there are public universities, one will find an ample supply of English speakers (certainly enough to find someone to communicate with in stores and to carry on a reasonably active social life).

I agree that the fewer other FTs, the better.

Someone in this forum once stated "H3ll is other FTs." I agree.
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