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rioux
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| The great, great majority of folks that do this sort of thing are so far out of their element that it is hilarious. Hiding tattoos, hiding the drug and tobacco use, rejoicing in the flock of girls who hover around them. It's all a social experiment that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. |
But that "is" the reality of the situation here. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Hiding tattoos, hiding the drug and tobacco use, rejoicing in the flock of girls who hover around them. It's all a social experiment that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
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Hiding tobacco use? In China? Are you joking?
The rest of the post is basically nonsense as well, but this part stood out for me. |
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hdeth
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Unable to find work |
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I am looking to take gap year and going to China is a great prospect idea
however i'am sending at least 5-6 emails a day and no replies... is it because now is the wrong time to send CVs? or is it because i am mixed race (brown skin, i attached a picture of myself in my resume ) I was wondering if i should just turn up and find work by myself? i am looking to bring 8K RMB
(£800) i could take an internship but the programs costs a large fee.. experience could be great but i'am also looking to pay off my loans so that route is a no-no. |
I don't think race is as big of a deal as it used to be. Do you speak English as a second language? That might be more of an issue.
Beijing has become very strict about having a degree and 120 hours of TEFL education. |
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hdeth
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And yet the so-called senior members of the forum do nothing but spout off how ESL is NOT a career and how going abroad to teach is ignored by potential employers back home as experience in the job market. So, I'm at a loss to explain or understand the mindset here by Wangdaning.
Universities and colleges, even community colleges have job preparation and job seeking departments for their students. What's happening is people are doing nothing but going to university, mindlessly, smoking-it-up, partying till who knows when, with no concern of the future. There ARE jobs out there. The issue is that they new graduates all think they should get 6-figure jobs from the starting block rather than working through the rungs. So there they are, new graduate, unwillingness to go to a new state, unwilling to be a nobody, trying their best to put off loan repayment (the mindset that those loans were a gift and not a loan) any way they can. So, China, Korea, whatever, all become to home of the lazy. People have made it clear, ESL is not a career. Going to China for 1 or 2 years with the sad illusion that you can cash-in and then return home... well, that's simply unavoidably sad. I would venture that 98% or more of teachers (a.k.a Foreign Experts) here make in the area of $1000 - $1300 a month. This is half the poverty line from the U.S.
You'd make more at McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc.
People today are simply unwilling to do what it takes. Doing what it takes does not include, running away from home, hiding in some back home city in a back hole country, and enjoying that new-found fame of being a white-face-boy and all the social perks that seem to go along with it.
The great, great majority of folks that do this sort of thing are so far out of their element that it is hilarious. Hiding tattoos, hiding the drug and tobacco use, rejoicing in the flock of girls who hover around them. It's all a social experiment that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
While America is an economic ruin, there are jobs out there. Settling for China is hardly the answer. |
Hilarious. I would have to work long hours at a white collar job to be able to save anywhere near what I do in China. If you're talking about ESL as a career China is the place to be. The problem is more what to o with all the money you're saving....I save about $1,500 per month and not quite sure what to do with it. |
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wavelength
Joined: 27 Jan 2015
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Location: The Feel Good River of a Celestial Rainbow
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Unable to find work |
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| wiz07 wrote: |
| ...or is it because i am mixed race (brown skin, i attached a picture of myself in my resume )... |
Unfortunately, this is a big problem. The Chinese market white faces. Blue eyes are even better. While I was there, I heard several times from Chinese people themselves that they didn't like "blacks". The truth is, they don't really like anything that is not pure white for teaching.
They rely heavily on whites to attract students and convince parents.
I especially heard about racism in Korea. |
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water rat
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| In my limited experience in China, for I am but one rat, most of the other teachers I've known have been Africans, not even African-Americans with the right passport, but out and out natives of Africa, and their students love them well. |
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wavelength
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| ...most of the other teachers I've known have been Africans... |
I met one in five years, and he was fired for no good reason. (Personally, I hope my future wife, whomever that may be, has brown skin. I like it.) |
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nomad soul
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| Most of the other teachers I've known have been Africans, not even African-Americans with the right passport, but out and out natives of Africa, and their students love them well. |
I'm reminded of the experience my 6'4", black and bald friend Ted said he had while in Japan. He was frequently "mistaken" as Michael Jordan, which made him a huge hit with the Japanese.  |
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dblkhqc
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| Hilarious. I would have to work long hours at a white collar job to be able to save anywhere near what I do in China. If you're talking about ESL as a career China is the place to be. The problem is more what to o with all the money you're saving....I save about $1,500 per month and not quite sure what to do with it. |
WHITE COLLAR job in America and you'd be making less than $1500 a month? That's $18,000 a year - that is sub-poverty and so I don't buy it. I would apply these terms to blue-collar, fast food, Kinko's, and the like to be in the pay/tax bracket. I'm not buying it. Please provide a specific example in which this would be true as you claim.
Chinese cost of living is low and you can save that aspect of salary received, but not if, for example, you lived in Qingdao and went to German, French, Japanese, Korean, and many other restaurants and hit the clubs and imported bear and McD's for lunch every day and shop at the big supermarkets for foreign/imported/taxed food. If someone is pathetic enough to leave their home country only to come here and attempt to recreate their entire social and daily living from home, then there is no money and those poeple don't belong here. I buy McD's breakfast once a month, if I wake up early enough since Chinese folks are so damn stupid enough to cut-off breakfast at 9:30 AM. I buy it only for the sake of the hash-browns and the sausage patty. I can cook on my own, but hey...
People blowing their money do it on alcohol, western food, incessant self-absorbed need to travel and live it up, on women (well, girls, well all know that's the case), smoking it up and you know what else.
The few, honest, clean guys (and girls) that come here to do a job professionally and responsibility, etc. save some cash, but certainly not the money people (newbies) fantasize about... by no means. Unless you are in Beijing and eat instant noodles every day and abstain from tobacco, alcohol, bar scenes, and so on, then you can save hefty cash. But those who teach basic university in common public school outside the high-end cities, it's not that simple.
I'm more reclusive, introverted, and my first, ohhh, 5+ years here I amassed 120,00+RMB in my bank and that was with some pretty big purchases here and there, so it can be done, but living frugally. I blend in and do what others do. Once I got married, that money disappeared in the blink of an eye lasting 2 months.
It's the "I gotta run away from home for some legal secret reasons" so assume China bow to my wishes and give me whatever I demand and need for little work.
Bachelor and Master degrees in EDUCATION and STATE teaching license back home? Then you could get a fairly lucrative job here, but that only raises the simple fact and question of, by having those qualifications, what ARE YOU IN CHINA complain about all the culture and business life has forced upon you. I've been in China 11 years, married 4+ and have 2+ year old girl and I have cash in the bank now, emptied out from time to time for spur of the moment buys and whatever. I anticipate my salary check every month (well cash), but I don't depend on it like so many others that have begged me for cash at the end of the money, all of whom I shoo away and laugh. Everyone I know here is the pedophile, alcoholic, psychotic, running from the law types well all know flock here. That will soon change.
While my opinion is unpopular, it is simply true and people refuse to cope with it.
So, I'd love to hear about those true white-collar jobs that are paying quite a bit under poverty level back home. |
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Emp1
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| hdeth wrote: |
| Hilarious. I would have to work long hours at a white collar job to be able to save anywhere near what I do in China. If you're talking about ESL as a career China is the place to be. The problem is more what to o with all the money you're saving....I save about $1,500 per month and not quite sure what to do with it. |
WHITE COLLAR job in America and you'd be making less than $1500 a month? That's $18,000 a year - that is sub-poverty and so I don't buy it. I would apply these terms to blue-collar, fast food, Kinko's, and the like to be in the pay/tax bracket. I'm not buying it. Please provide a specific example in which this would be true as you claim.
Chinese cost of living is low and you can save that aspect of salary received, but not if, for example, you lived in Qingdao and went to German, French, Japanese, Korean, and many other restaurants and hit the clubs and imported bear and McD's for lunch every day and shop at the big supermarkets for foreign/imported/taxed food. If someone is pathetic enough to leave their home country only to come here and attempt to recreate their entire social and daily living from home, then there is no money and those poeple don't belong here. I buy McD's breakfast once a month, if I wake up early enough since Chinese folks are so damn stupid enough to cut-off breakfast at 9:30 AM. I buy it only for the sake of the hash-browns and the sausage patty. I can cook on my own, but hey...
People blowing their money do it on alcohol, western food, incessant self-absorbed need to travel and live it up, on women (well, girls, well all know that's the case), smoking it up and you know what else.
The few, honest, clean guys (and girls) that come here to do a job professionally and responsibility, etc. save some cash, but certainly not the money people (newbies) fantasize about... by no means. Unless you are in Beijing and eat instant noodles every day and abstain from tobacco, alcohol, bar scenes, and so on, then you can save hefty cash. But those who teach basic university in common public school outside the high-end cities, it's not that simple.
I'm more reclusive, introverted, and my first, ohhh, 5+ years here I amassed 120,00+RMB in my bank and that was with some pretty big purchases here and there, so it can be done, but living frugally. I blend in and do what others do. Once I got married, that money disappeared in the blink of an eye lasting 2 months.
It's the "I gotta run away from home for some legal secret reasons" so assume China bow to my wishes and give me whatever I demand and need for little work.
Bachelor and Master degrees in EDUCATION and STATE teaching license back home? Then you could get a fairly lucrative job here, but that only raises the simple fact and question of, by having those qualifications, what ARE YOU IN CHINA complain about all the culture and business life has forced upon you. I've been in China 11 years, married 4+ and have 2+ year old girl and I have cash in the bank now, emptied out from time to time for spur of the moment buys and whatever. I anticipate my salary check every month (well cash), but I don't depend on it like so many others that have begged me for cash at the end of the money, all of whom I shoo away and laugh. Everyone I know here is the pedophile, alcoholic, psychotic, running from the law types well all know flock here. That will soon change.
While my opinion is unpopular, it is simply true and people refuse to cope with it.
So, I'd love to hear about those true white-collar jobs that are paying quite a bit under poverty level back home. |
He said save not 'earn'. Taxes and accommodation are your 2 biggest expenses back home that don't apply much here (at least at a uni job topped up with side work).
Saving $1500 here is easy as pie. I'm saving double that and I have no qualifications apart from a BA. Here's how it's done:
- 5500rmb at uni for 16 classes a week, 4 day schedule.
- 12000rmb a month for working weekends at a language centre
- 4800rmb a month for 6 high school classes a week.
- 4500rmb a month for a couple of weekday evenings at another language centre.
Comes to 26800rmb though because of public holidays, sick days etc I'd say I average 25000rmb a month during term times. Spend about 4000rmb of that and stick the rest in the bank. When the school semesters are over my high school classes stop but I can easily pick up more hours at the language centre and make even more cash if I feel like it.
Honestly the only reason I'm here is because the money is so good. Only a complete idiot would not be able to save money in China. |
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Guerciotti
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| hdeth wrote: |
| Hilarious. I would have to work long hours at a white collar job to be able to save anywhere near what I do in China. If you're talking about ESL as a career China is the place to be. The problem is more what to o with all the money you're saving....I save about $1,500 per month and not quite sure what to do with it. |
WHITE COLLAR job in America and you'd be making less than $1500 a month? That's $18,000 a year - that is sub-poverty and so I don't buy it. I would apply these terms to blue-collar, fast food, Kinko's, and the like to be in the pay/tax bracket. I'm not buying it. Please provide a specific example in which this would be true as you claim.
Chinese cost of living is low and you can save that aspect of salary received, but not if, for example, you lived in Qingdao and went to German, French, Japanese, Korean, and many other restaurants and hit the clubs and imported bear and McD's for lunch every day and shop at the big supermarkets for foreign/imported/taxed food. If someone is pathetic enough to leave their home country only to come here and attempt to recreate their entire social and daily living from home, then there is no money and those poeple don't belong here. I buy McD's breakfast once a month, if I wake up early enough since Chinese folks are so damn stupid enough to cut-off breakfast at 9:30 AM. I buy it only for the sake of the hash-browns and the sausage patty. I can cook on my own, but hey...
People blowing their money do it on alcohol, western food, incessant self-absorbed need to travel and live it up, on women (well, girls, well all know that's the case), smoking it up and you know what else.
The few, honest, clean guys (and girls) that come here to do a job professionally and responsibility, etc. save some cash, but certainly not the money people (newbies) fantasize about... by no means. Unless you are in Beijing and eat instant noodles every day and abstain from tobacco, alcohol, bar scenes, and so on, then you can save hefty cash. But those who teach basic university in common public school outside the high-end cities, it's not that simple.
I'm more reclusive, introverted, and my first, ohhh, 5+ years here I amassed 120,00+RMB in my bank and that was with some pretty big purchases here and there, so it can be done, but living frugally. I blend in and do what others do. Once I got married, that money disappeared in the blink of an eye lasting 2 months.
It's the "I gotta run away from home for some legal secret reasons" so assume China bow to my wishes and give me whatever I demand and need for little work.
Bachelor and Master degrees in EDUCATION and STATE teaching license back home? Then you could get a fairly lucrative job here, but that only raises the simple fact and question of, by having those qualifications, what ARE YOU IN CHINA complain about all the culture and business life has forced upon you. I've been in China 11 years, married 4+ and have 2+ year old girl and I have cash in the bank now, emptied out from time to time for spur of the moment buys and whatever. I anticipate my salary check every month (well cash), but I don't depend on it like so many others that have begged me for cash at the end of the money, all of whom I shoo away and laugh. Everyone I know here is the pedophile, alcoholic, psychotic, running from the law types well all know flock here. That will soon change.
While my opinion is unpopular, it is simply true and people refuse to cope with it.
So, I'd love to hear about those true white-collar jobs that are paying quite a bit under poverty level back home. |
Nice rant. He said 'save, not 'earn'. Are you a native speaker? Of English, I mean. Seems you don't read well.
You seem to hate all foreigners? Every foreigner in China (except you, of course!) is a pedo, alky, whatever? Obviously you're the latest incarnation of the regular troll.
Anyway, about the topic. Maybe try a recruiter for your first position. I know ... but maybe that will help. |
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wavelength
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| hdeth wrote: |
| Hilarious. I would have to work long hours at a white collar job to be able to save anywhere near what I do in China. If you're talking about ESL as a career China is the place to be. The problem is more what to o with all the money you're saving....I save about $1,500 per month and not quite sure what to do with it. |
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| WHITE COLLAR job in America and you'd be making less than $1500 a month? That's $18,000 a year - that is sub-poverty and so I don't buy it. I would apply these terms to blue-collar, fast food, Kinko's, and the like to be in the pay/tax bracket. I'm not buying it. Please provide a specific example in which this would be true as you claim. |
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Hi Guerciotti,
In China many things are paid for that you would otherwise have to pay for yourself back in the West. For example, housing. Also, if you're not an alcoholic, the cost of living is fairly cheap. Food is cheap, etc. It's not that one makes a high salary in China, more than the percentage of the salary that can be saved. Since you've lived there for so long, you probably already know that.
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| Chinese cost of living is low and you can save that aspect of salary received, but not if, for example, you lived in Qingdao and went to German, French, Japanese, Korean, and many other restaurants and hit the clubs and imported bear and McD's for lunch every day and shop at the big supermarkets for foreign/imported/taxed food. |
Yes. A lot depends on the life style and maturity of the expat.
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| If someone is pathetic enough to leave their home country only to come here and attempt to recreate their entire social and daily living from home |
Some people would argue that their home country is pathetic enough to leave.
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| The few, honest, clean guys (and girls) that come here to do a job professionally and responsibility, etc. save some cash, but certainly not the money people (newbies) fantasize about... by no means. Unless you are in Beijing and eat instant noodles every day and abstain from tobacco, alcohol, bar scenes, and so on, then you can save hefty cash. But those who teach basic university in common public school outside the high-end cities, it's not that simple. |
This is true. Expats need to consider the situation from a financial point of view very carefully. One way or the other, most expats must face the reality that they will have to leave, and what their savings will translate to when they do.
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| Everyone I know here is the pedophile, alcoholic, psychotic, running from the law types well all know flock here. |
Bullshit. What do you mean "The" pedophile. Are you a native-speaker? |
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Son of Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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...ohhh, 5+ years here I amassed 120,00+RMB in my bank and that was with some pretty big purchases here and there...
...I have cash in the bank now, emptied out from time to time for spur of the moment buys and whatever.
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I don't get it. |
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wavelength
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| ...ohhh, 5+ years here I amassed 120,00+RMB in my bank and that was with some pretty big purchases here and there... |
Yikes. That means you saved a whopping $321 a month or less over 5 years or more. (Where's my bong?) |
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LarssonCrew
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| Not doubting but many many of my students would mistake 'beer' with 'bear' :D |
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