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bcxxbc
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 Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:57 am Post subject: Is it true China is more lucrative monetarily than Korea? |
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| I heard Korea is easiest, but China has the potential for far more earnings because you get less hours and can take multiple jobs. Is this true? How hard is it to accomplish this? |
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happyinshangqiu
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It all depends, where are you from?
What qualifications do you have? |
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Emp1
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, it's true. If you're prepared to put lots of hours in you can make far more than you can in Korea. |
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bcxxbc
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| happyinshangqiu wrote: |
It all depends, where are you from?
What qualifications do you have? |
I have a Bachelor's in Political Science and a CELTA. No verifiable experience though. |
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bograt
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Have you ever worked in Korea Emp1? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Monetarily? Is there any other way to be lucrative? |
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JoeKing
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Is it true China is more lucrative monetarily than Korea |
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| bcxxbc wrote: |
| I heard Korea is easiest, but China has the potential for far more earnings because you get less hours and can take multiple jobs. Is this true? How hard is it to accomplish this? |
Not sure what you mean by "easiest", as the actual teaching and hours worked are pretty comparable, at least in my experience.
Korea is like one of those "no haggle" car dealerships that have popped up in the last 20 years. For a person with a BA, you are pretty much looking at a contract in the 2k to 2.3k range, with few exceptions, public school or hagwon. Teaching private lessons on the side is forbidden, though people do it all the time, but one has to be careful - some get away with it, some do not.
For the very same person with the very same BA, China, on the other hand, has a very wide range, from as low as 6000rmb up to about 28000rmb. Check the job postings and you can confirm these numbers.Teaching privates on the side is easier, or so I have been told, though it may still be technically forbidden.
For comparison 2k won = 11,000rmb = 1800US
I say this with 3 years of experience working in Korea for the salary range mentioned above, and one job in China 2013/2014 that paid me 12000 rmb plus 1500rmb housing allowance. I established a good reputation with that job and was offered a position starting at 18,000rmb. Unfortunately, I was unable to accept it.
To recap, if you want the "no haggle" approach, go to Korea. If you have some experience, and know what to look for, it is possible to make more in China.
One caveat about China- many of the higher paying jobs require 2 years of experience, so you may want to consider starting in Korea anyway. |
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Emp1
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| bograt wrote: |
| Have you ever worked in Korea Emp1? |
Yes, and then I moved here for the money. Korea is better if you're happy enough just doing your 30 hours a week and going home. China is better if you want to put in more hours since side work is much easier to get and you're much less likely to be busted for doing it.
| JoeKing wrote: |
| One caveat about China- many of the higher paying jobs require 2 years of experience, so you may want to consider starting in Korea anyway. |
Just lie about this on your CV, they never check. |
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mw182006
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| Emp1 wrote: |
| Just lie about this on your CV, they never check. |
This is not really the way to dole out that kind of advice. |
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bograt
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Yes, and then I moved here for the money. Korea is better if you're happy enough just doing your 30 hours a week and going home. China is better if you want to put in more hours since side work is much easier to get and you're much less likely to be busted for doing it.
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Someone asks for advice on the best place to make money as a teacher and you're telling them, almost encouraging them, to work illegally. I guess if you're prepared to break the law, the sky's the limit in terms of 'earnings' wherever you go. I don't know what kind of person the OP is but If I was him I'd be more interested in what you can achieve within the limits of the law. As others have pointed out if you want to live like that it's up to you but you really shouldn't come on here boasting about it and trying to lead others astray. Discussing illegal private lessons is banned in the Korea forum, I guess they're more relaxed about it here.
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bcxxbc
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| Emp1 wrote: |
| bograt wrote: |
| Have you ever worked in Korea Emp1? |
Yes, and then I moved here for the money. Korea is better if you're happy enough just doing your 30 hours a week and going home. China is better if you want to put in more hours since side work is much easier to get and you're much less likely to be busted for doing it.
| JoeKing wrote: |
| One caveat about China- many of the higher paying jobs require 2 years of experience, so you may want to consider starting in Korea anyway. |
Just lie about this on your CV, they never check. |
If I lie on my CV about my experience can I put your phone number and when you answer you say, "Vandelay Industries"?
My previous jobs were in the IT field, and I have loads of PC experience from server admin work to some web design. Would that be helpful at all to finding gigs in China/Korea? Do they have needs to teach technology to kids at all?
Also how is side work illegal? |
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maxand
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| bcxxbc wrote: |
| Emp1 wrote: |
| bograt wrote: |
| Have you ever worked in Korea Emp1? |
Yes, and then I moved here for the money. Korea is better if you're happy enough just doing your 30 hours a week and going home. China is better if you want to put in more hours since side work is much easier to get and you're much less likely to be busted for doing it.
| JoeKing wrote: |
| One caveat about China- many of the higher paying jobs require 2 years of experience, so you may want to consider starting in Korea anyway. |
Just lie about this on your CV, they never check. |
If I lie on my CV about my experience can I put your phone number and when you answer you say, "Vandelay Industries"?
My previous jobs were in the IT field, and I have loads of PC experience from server admin work to some web design. Would that be helpful at all to finding gigs in China/Korea? Do they have needs to teach technology to kids at all?
Also how is side work illegal? |
I am gonna hire you as my latex salesman? I dont think so  |
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Hatcher
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I was in Korea for 10 years and made big $$$.... you can do the same here depending on your job.
Extra work here is easier to get now. |
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JoeKing
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Also how is side work illegal? |
I may not be wording this right, but for all intents and purposes your work permit/visa is tied to your employer, and so you can not legally work anywhere else.
In Korea, if you go through the proper channels, you can get special permission to work a second, part-time job. I actually did that in my second year there - worked at Wall Street English in the mornings, and taught at after school programs in the afternoon.
I am not sure if you can do that in China. |
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bcxxbc
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
I was in Korea for 10 years and made big $$$.... you can do the same here depending on your job.
Extra work here is easier to get now. |
I heard big $$$ is only really possible in China since the well sort of dried up in Korea. Is this true?
Where's the best place to start job hunting? I am doing the month long CELTA class in Thailand in July. Should I apply during the course or will I have to wait until I get my certificate? |
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