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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| One-off allowance of RMB 2,000 for foreign staff to settle down. |
I know they meant to help settle in (buying cleaning supplies and what-not), but it struck me as humorous. |
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Non Sequitur
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Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your replies, it has been very helpful ... for visa regulations i think i fall into the R Visa category?? rather than the Z visa |
If you are working for gain then Z is the way.
But don't lead with the visa thing. Get an offer from a legit school and see what they expect you to do.
As has been said many times the requirements for quals, experience etc vary from area to area.
The less of an ideal candidate you are, the more you will need to compromise on location.
Think of it as a sliding scale of expectation.
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jimpellow
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I really hope this works out for you and would love to hear how it goes.
This is an interesting one. On one hand, the Chinese often think the lao wai has magical powers. On the other, they consider us idiots if we do not do things the Chinese way.
Coming from a modest football/soccer background, I always wondered why the mens national team was so notoriously bad. When I arrived in China I would walk the track near my apartment and watch the teams practice in the middle. The first thing that struck me is how they had fairly good skills, but never communicated. The coaches would all do a lot of yelling and acted rather regal. I had no Chinese at the time so had a tutor, who was up there one day, translate to the coach about having them communicate more, rather than run around every man for himself. He looked at me and then her, and then they both laughed. Being new to China I was of course baffled by it all, and why nothing changed.
My third city had a basketball team coached by a quite nice ex-NBA player who hung out at one of the main expat bars. Was quite humorous hearing his tales of trying to change Chinese ways. Eventually he did a midnight run. LOL |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I really hope this works out for you and would love to hear how it goes.
This is an interesting one. On one hand, the Chinese often think the lao wai has magical powers. On the other, they consider us idiots if we do not do things the Chinese way.
Coming from a modest football/soccer background, I always wondered why the mens national team was so notoriously bad. When I arrived in China I would walk the track near my apartment and watch the teams practice in the middle. The first thing that struck me is how they had fairly good skills, but never communicated. The coaches would all do a lot of yelling and acted rather regal. I had no Chinese at the time so had a tutor, who was up there one day, translate to the coach about having them communicate more, rather than run around every man for himself. He looked at me and then her, and then they both laughed. Being new to China I was of course baffled by it all, and why nothing changed.
My third city had a basketball team coached by a quite nice ex-NBA player who hung out at one of the main expat bars. Was quite humorous hearing his tales of trying to change Chinese ways. Eventually he did a midnight run. LOL |
Right? Primitives are sooo...well, primitive in their expectations. The dissonance is almost deafening! Like their tendency to wildly generalize in metaphorical terms to express quaint and contradictory assumptions. Hey, I'm no expert, and the Chinese manage to do alright for themselves given, you know, their thinking, but after generously offering a candid and uncomplicated solution (obvious to any thinking human being) it is to little effect other than laughter-- how ironic!
Quite reasonably, what solace or vindication I might require (other than you, dear reader) is provided by my local pub, where an anecdote, void of any detail, is served by an outcome and its furnished implication. Hilarious!
/parody of the quoted post meant to address a subtext and not the intended message of the poster, or most of it, leastways |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| jimpellow wrote: |
I really hope this works out for you and would love to hear how it goes.
This is an interesting one. On one hand, the Chinese often think the lao wai has magical powers. On the other, they consider us idiots if we do not do things the Chinese way.
Coming from a modest football/soccer background, I always wondered why the mens national team was so notoriously bad. When I arrived in China I would walk the track near my apartment and watch the teams practice in the middle. The first thing that struck me is how they had fairly good skills, but never communicated. The coaches would all do a lot of yelling and acted rather regal. I had no Chinese at the time so had a tutor, who was up there one day, translate to the coach about having them communicate more, rather than run around every man for himself. He looked at me and then her, and then they both laughed. Being new to China I was of course baffled by it all, and why nothing changed.
My third city had a basketball team coached by a quite nice ex-NBA player who hung out at one of the main expat bars. Was quite humorous hearing his tales of trying to change Chinese ways. Eventually he did a midnight run. LOL |
Right? Primitives are sooo...well, primitive in their expectations. The dissonance is almost deafening! Like their tendency to wildly generalize in metaphorical terms to express quaint and contradictory assumptions. Hey, I'm no expert, and the Chinese manage to do alright for themselves given, you know, their thinking, but after generously offering a candid and uncomplicated solution (obvious to any thinking human being) it is to little effect other than laughter-- how ironic!
Quite reasonably, what solace or vindication I might require (other than you, dear reader) is provided by my local pub, where an anecdote, void of any detail, is served by an outcome and its furnished implication. Hilarious!
/parody of the quoted post meant to address a subtext and not the intended message of the poster, or most of it, leastways |
Good to see the reincarnation of Joseph Conrad is back. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Good to see the reincarnation of Joseph Conrad is back. |
All in good fun...
Conrad said that his aim as a fiction writer was to render the highest possible justice to the visible universe. That sounds very grand, but it is really very humble. He was interested in rendering justice to the visible universe because it suggested an invisible one. Conrad said: My task which I am trying to achieve is, by the power of the written word, to make you hear, to make you feel--it is, before all, to make you see--that and no more, and it is everything.
-- Mystery and Manners, 1957, Flannery O'Connor
I doubt posts to a forum would merit such criteria, so carry on.  |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| Good to see the reincarnation of Joseph Conrad is back. |
All in good fun...
Conrad said that his aim as a fiction writer was to render the highest possible justice to the visible universe. That sounds very grand, but it is really very humble. He was interested in rendering justice to the visible universe because it suggested an invisible one. Conrad said: My task which I am trying to achieve is, by the power of the written word, to make you hear, to make you feel--it is, before all, to make you see--that and no more, and it is everything.
-- Mystery and Manners, 1957, Flannery O'Connor
I doubt posts to a forum would merit such criteria, so carry on. |
 I referred to Conrad as your writing is the only writing besides his to overload my very limited intellectual abilities to such an extent that I get a splitting headache within a few sentences. |
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buravirgil
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| Good to see the reincarnation of Joseph Conrad is back. |
All in good fun...
Conrad said that his aim as a fiction writer was to render the highest possible justice to the visible universe. That sounds very grand, but it is really very humble. He was interested in rendering justice to the visible universe because it suggested an invisible one. Conrad said: My task which I am trying to achieve is, by the power of the written word, to make you hear, to make you feel--it is, before all, to make you see--that and no more, and it is everything.
-- Mystery and Manners, 1957, Flannery O'Connor
I doubt posts to a forum would merit such criteria, so carry on. |
I referred to Conrad as your writing is the only writing besides his to overload my very limited intellectual abilities to such an extent that I get a splitting headache within a few sentences. |
How unfortunate for you...
Such extents! Such utterances both self-deprecating AND inflated.
What dissonance! How humorous! |
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LeiFeng
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Wiz07, I know you're asking about soccer/football, but…I have seen a basketball training club in Beijing advertising for both more and less-experienced basketball coaches for kids and teenagers, and offering attractive pay. Since I'm new to this forum (been lurking a long time, though), I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to anything, but if you Google "YouCan Basketball Club" you will find a lot of information and posts from them.
I've seen ads in the past for soccer/football coaching jobs for foreigners from something called "Hangzhou SBC," which sounds like the same thing (training club for kids/teenagers) but for football. You can find old ads for this with a Google search. I'm willing to bet you could find other similar organizations if you look.
Chinese (as you've probably noticed) are obsessed with sports, and obsessed with learning from "foreign expertise" in areas where foreign countries excel. I'd give a confident guess that there are plenty of coaching jobs possible in China. As Water Rat pointed out, many K-12 schools hire foreign PE teachers as well. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| Good to see the reincarnation of Joseph Conrad is back. |
All in good fun...
Conrad said that his aim as a fiction writer was to render the highest possible justice to the visible universe. That sounds very grand, but it is really very humble. He was interested in rendering justice to the visible universe because it suggested an invisible one. Conrad said: My task which I am trying to achieve is, by the power of the written word, to make you hear, to make you feel--it is, before all, to make you see--that and no more, and it is everything.
-- Mystery and Manners, 1957, Flannery O'Connor
I doubt posts to a forum would merit such criteria, so carry on. |
I referred to Conrad as your writing is the only writing besides his to overload my very limited intellectual abilities to such an extent that I get a splitting headache within a few sentences. |
How unfortunate for you...
Such extents! Such utterances both self-deprecating AND inflated.
What dissonance! How humorous! |
Thank you!
"It is not the clear-sighted who rule the world. Great achievements are accomplished in a blessed, warm fog."
Joseph Conrad |
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Didah
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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Location: Planet Tralfamador.... and so it goes
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| I think it is fitting that Flannery O'Connor is quoted here. In my opinion, her short story "A Good Man is Hard to Find," is a lot like teaching or perhaps coaching in China. In her story, everything starts out peaceful. It is a beautiful sunny day and everyone in the car is happy until it turns the corner and descends into the vortex of hell. |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013
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Location: Flying around the ME...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Don't know if the OP is interested but there''s a lot of ads for pe teachers in UAE posted on Indeed recently. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Don't know if the OP is interested but there''s a lot of ads for pe teachers in UAE posted on Indeed recently. |
Good point if the passion is more for the position than the country. When I did my year and a half in the Philippines last year a couple foreign coaches from a local international high school went to my gym. They seemed very happy with the gig in terms of pay and conditions. I would think there is a good international market for those who dig and network. |
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nomad soul
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| Don't know if the OP is interested but there''s a lot of ads for pe teachers in UAE posted on Indeed recently. |
The OP's computing science degree wouldn't make the cut. Those UAE positions require both the degree major and teaching license/certification be related to physical education in addition to previous experience teaching PE. |
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jimpellow
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| Don't know if the OP is interested but there''s a lot of ads for pe teachers in UAE posted on Indeed recently. |
The OP's computing science degree wouldn't make the cut. Those UAE positions require both the degree major and teaching license/certification be related to physical education in addition to previous experience teaching PE. |
That's a good point about the person's credentials needing to match any of the Gulf States very focused criteria in order to procure the visa. I doubt Messi could coach football/soccer in a school there above board. |
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