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MozartFloyd
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
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Location: Guangdong, China
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| tlkdmc wrote: |
| Take a look around. Not only that, look at the class-status of foreigners around here - you'll find more than enough - because they have nothing else, nowhere else to go. China is hardly a career destination - it's an unable-to-work-elsewhere place. Single digit percentage of folks here are here for 'worthy" reasons. |
That's probably true, although I've met some really cool foreign teachers here in China who have been highly favored over their Chinese teacher "colleagues." Most of the good ones are over 45 years old, have already had a career at home and are simply in China for the chance to do something different and travel. As teachers, the have a level of maturity to offer students that doesn't go unnocticed by the university; say what you will about their ability to work elsewhere or not.
Personally, I'm having a blast living in China.
As per contract hours; the universities I have taught in both listed 18 hours in the contract. I have worked 18, 16, 14 ... currently I'm only working 10 hours or 5 classes at one class a day, weekends free. |
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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Posts: 738
Location: Chengdu
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the double standard is rampant beyond comprehenson on this site. One person rants, the other say shut up or use the cowardly "report" option to have a member removed. Dictatorship by proxy, really.
But, let's be clear, ranting here is not a god given right as claimed. This is a private, membership-by-approval-site, thus it's not a public site that follows free-speech.
Lazy folks who want 14 hours a week and double the expected pay, and, oh, yeah, they want those 14 class hours jumbled up in a 2 days work week - oh yea, wait, 2 consecutive days, so they can do "whatever" for the other 5 consecutive days.
Fact is, China would have no issues getting people to work 6 days a week as claimed in opposition. China already has it. Take a look around. Not only that, look at the class-status of foreigners around here - you'll find more than enough - because they have nothing else, nowhere else to go. China is hardly a career destination - it's an unable-to-work-elsewhere place. Single digit percentage of folks here are here for 'worthy" reasons. |
I disagree. If you can walk down the street and hand out your CV to 3 different companies and get 3 call-backs and interviews, then I hardly believe it is flooded with westerners. China struggles to have enough westerners. This isn't Japan/Korea. |
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tlkdmc
Joined: 31 Mar 2015
Posts: 51
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:00 am Post subject: |
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turn-over is one thing and having enough to teachers to fill open job vacancies is entirely another.
All jobs have vacancies, from Chinese teachers to street cleaners. Literal meaning is... well, beyond, well...
ugghhh |
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hdeth
Joined: 20 Jan 2015
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| tlkdmc wrote: |
Fact is, China would have no issues getting people to work 6 days a week as claimed in opposition. China already has it. Take a look around. Not only that, look at the class-status of foreigners around here - you'll find more than enough - because they have nothing else, nowhere else to go. China is hardly a career destination - it's an unable-to-work-elsewhere place. Single digit percentage of folks here are here for 'worthy" reasons. |
I love reading comments like this sitting in a room of certified foreign teachers and Chinese teachers who basically all studied at decent universities in America....The teachers who who probably couldn't get jobs back homes are the ones with PhDs....dearth of teaching positions back home and all. |
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Dan123
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| tlkdmc wrote: |
| Fact is, China would have no issues getting people to work 6 days a week as claimed in opposition. |
Sure, but most of the teachers would be Chinese or from countries even poorer than China or the schools would have to massively increases wages. Again, think before you type. You are capable of simple thought processes, right? I need to ask, because I've seen no evidence of it so far either from this account or from your multitude of banned accounts. |
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tlkdmc
Joined: 31 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll grant you that yes PhD recipients in the US have fewer job options in the field. Nowadays all the universities and colleges, etc. are doing it Adjunct professor style. Then again, I don't buy the whole PhD groups around here. I've met many of them and they are clearly fakes and liars and runners. |
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tlkdmc
Joined: 31 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan123 wrote: |
| tlkdmc wrote: |
| Fact is, China would have no issues getting people to work 6 days a week as claimed in opposition. |
Sure, but most of the teachers would be Chinese or from countries even poorer than China or the schools would have to massively increases wages. Again, think before you type. You are capable of simple thought processes, right? I need to ask, because I've seen no evidence of it so far either from this account or from your multitude of banned accounts. |
This country is filled with Americans and Canadians, and others, that "look forward" and rush to China to earn half poverty level from America. THEY RUN TO IT. There are clearly hidden reasons to do such a thing.
I'd love to see all the documentation and IP address and MAC tracing to show I am someone of this multitude of banned accounts, as you state. If you'd like to libel and/or slander someone, by all means, bring it on. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
Posts: 967
Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| If you'd like to libel and/or slander someone, by all means, bring it on. |
A difficult tort to substantiate given the vast majority of posters to this forum are anonymous, including you.
More than a few posters have been enormously charitable with your persistent vetting along the lines of "And why have you come to China? Can't get a job back home?" It's fine to have an opinion, an overly broad opinion, about "the average" teacher coming to China-- but leveling your pet observation at every new poster to the forum is irregular and somewhat obsessive. |
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hdeth
Joined: 20 Jan 2015
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| I'll grant you that yes PhD recipients in the US have fewer job options in the field. Nowadays all the universities and colleges, etc. are doing it Adjunct professor style. Then again, I don't buy the whole PhD groups around here. I've met many of them and they are clearly fakes and liars and runners. |
Quite a few of the AP and A-level teachers at my school have advanced degrees. I've seen a couple demo classes (we have to attend demo classes about using the mobile learning system...ipads and such), and I've talked with many of them...they clearly know the material they are teaching about. At my cluster of desks there's one CT with a Masters in tesol I believe from NYU, one FT with multiple masters who's a certified teacher, an FT who's certified, myself with an advanced degree, and two CTs who I don't know much about.
You earn more money here than teaching back home and it's an adventure. Some of the science and math teachers could buy a new (American) car every 4-5 months or so, in cash, while still living comfortably. Try that as an adjunct professor.
A lot of the certified teachers are younger folks trying to pay off debt. Willing to give up the retirement benefits they might accrue back home to earn more cash up-front, pay off their debts, have an adventure, maybe learn some Chinese. |
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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Location: Chengdu
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| tlkdmc wrote: |
| I'll grant you that yes PhD recipients in the US have fewer job options in the field. Nowadays all the universities and colleges, etc. are doing it Adjunct professor style. Then again, I don't buy the whole PhD groups around here. I've met many of them and they are clearly fakes and liars and runners. |
Quite a few of the AP and A-level teachers at my school have advanced degrees. I've seen a couple demo classes (we have to attend demo classes about using the mobile learning system...ipads and such), and I've talked with many of them...they clearly know the material they are teaching about. At my cluster of desks there's one CT with a Masters in tesol I believe from NYU, one FT with multiple masters who's a certified teacher, an FT who's certified, myself with an advanced degree, and two CTs who I don't know much about.
You earn more money here than teaching back home and it's an adventure. Some of the science and math teachers could buy a new (American) car every 4-5 months or so, in cash, while still living comfortably. Try that as an adjunct professor.
A lot of the certified teachers are younger folks trying to pay off debt. Willing to give up the retirement benefits they might accrue back home to earn more cash up-front, pay off their debts, have an adventure, maybe learn some Chinese. |
A school I am about to work for pays 3-5000 bucks a month. Hard to make that kind of cash with only 15 teaching hours per week back at home.
China is not an employers market, I don't know why people accept such pittance of positions sometimes when there are some available like you've just described. |
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hdeth
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
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| tlkdmc wrote: |
| I'll grant you that yes PhD recipients in the US have fewer job options in the field. Nowadays all the universities and colleges, etc. are doing it Adjunct professor style. Then again, I don't buy the whole PhD groups around here. I've met many of them and they are clearly fakes and liars and runners. |
Quite a few of the AP and A-level teachers at my school have advanced degrees. I've seen a couple demo classes (we have to attend demo classes about using the mobile learning system...ipads and such), and I've talked with many of them...they clearly know the material they are teaching about. At my cluster of desks there's one CT with a Masters in tesol I believe from NYU, one FT with multiple masters who's a certified teacher, an FT who's certified, myself with an advanced degree, and two CTs who I don't know much about.
You earn more money here than teaching back home and it's an adventure. Some of the science and math teachers could buy a new (American) car every 4-5 months or so, in cash, while still living comfortably. Try that as an adjunct professor.
A lot of the certified teachers are younger folks trying to pay off debt. Willing to give up the retirement benefits they might accrue back home to earn more cash up-front, pay off their debts, have an adventure, maybe learn some Chinese. |
A school I am about to work for pays 3-5000 bucks a month. Hard to make that kind of cash with only 15 teaching hours per week back at home.
China is not an employers market, I don't know why people accept such pittance of positions sometimes when there are some available like you've just described. |
I know....some of the new teachers accepted 9k rmb/month with shared housing. I took 15k with nicer housing (expensive in Beijing...nice 2bdrm apartment). I thought I had it pretty good until I found out some English teachers are making 22-24k (no housing). Math and science teachers with good quals can ask for 30k+ easily. 3 months of vacation and about 2 months this year where I basically don't work (my students get out a bit early so just come and sit at the office). Down to 14 teaching hours right now. Only problem is my school has some night classes which I absolutely hate.
If I was older I could definitely see working at a Uni in the countryside...have a little house and a couple vegetable plots, drive in to work. Long vacations. Might be a lovely semi-retirement. But for now being able to bank some money feels good. Just thinking that I could buy a new (Chinese) car every half year or so seems crazy on a teacher's salary. |
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Dan123
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This country is filled with Americans and Canadians, and others, that "look forward" and rush to China to earn half poverty level from America. THEY RUN TO IT. There are clearly hidden reasons to do such a thing.
I'd love to see all the documentation and IP address and MAC tracing to show I am someone of this multitude of banned accounts, as you state. If you'd like to libel and/or slander someone, by all means, bring it on. |
1. China is a lot cheaper to live in than America/Canada/UK/everyothermajoritywhiteenglishspeakingcountryinthewholebloodyworld
2. lol. You're about as transparent as the CTFU poster. |
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DuckAmuck
Joined: 23 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:04 am Post subject: |
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By all means, don't accept the 18 hour work week. Go back to the west and work 60 hour work-weeks just to pay the bills and be broke.
Personally, I'll be happy to work 20 hours a week and have all the free time I need to pursue my interests and spend with my friends and family while living comfortably on the income in a free apartment. It beats the heck out of my management job that had me tied up 12 hours a day back home. |
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