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hash



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Location: Wadi Jinn

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elamericano wrote:
Of course you can work in KSA on a business visa if you're going with one of the military contractors. Your employer is a foreign entity.

Does this apply in YOUR case, or did you just "hear" this from "somebody"??

Because, according the KSA Embassy website in DC,

"Notes:

•Visitors should not overstay the time granted on the visa.
•Business visas do not grant the applicant the right to work or to reside in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
•Visitors to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia must abide by the country’s Islamic laws and regulations and respect its society’s values and traditions."

from: http://www.saudiembassy.net/services/business_visit.aspx

This information appears to completely contradict what you're saying.

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elamericano



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the top of that page and see who gets these visas.
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hash



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elamericano wrote:
Look at the top of that page and see who gets these visas.


Yeah, I did.

It says: Business visas are issued to: businessmen, investors, representatives of U.S. companies, managers, sales managers, sales representatives, etc.

Now look at what I sent in my last: It says:

•Business visas do not grant the applicant the right to work or to reside in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

I repeat what I said in my last:

This information appears to completely contradict what you're saying.

You - cannot - work - in -KSA - with - a - business - visa -even - if - you -are - working - for - a - military - contractor.

What part of this don't you get?
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elamericano



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A businessman who comes to Saudi Arabia on a business visa and does business is also working.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Business Visa Requirements
Business visas are issued to: businessmen, investors, representatives of U.S. companies, managers, sales managers, sales representatives, etc.

Requirements:

A passport valid for at least six (6) months, with at least two (2) clear visa pages adjacent to each other.
One (1) recent passport size color photograph with a white background. Photograph(s) must be full-face shots in which the applicant is facing the camera directly. Side or angled-views are NOT accepted. Guidelines for accepted photograph for Visa.
A completed application form filled-out with a black ink pen or printed. Application forms can be downloaded from the website at http://www.saudiembassy.net/. Please include your email address on the application.
Please provide one of the following documents to prove the applicant’s position:
A letter addressed to the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, D.C. by the applicant’s employer in the U.S., which confirms the applicant’s position and that he is being sent on a business visit related to his/her company.
A copy of the company’s business registration, in Saudi Arabia and in the U.S
An electronic invitation Letter from a Saudi Company.
A diplomatic note from the applicant’s embassy in the U.S. identifying his/her title (for non-U.S. citizens).
Additional documents may be requested if needed.
For non-U.S. citizens, a copy of the green card or a document confirming legal residence in the U.S.
Visa fees must be paid online through Enjaz website www.enjazit.com.sa or through any of the Visa Offices Registered with Enjaz. The visa fee is $270.00 for U.S. passport holders, for both single and multiple entries.
For non-U.S. citizens, the visa fee is $54.00 for a single entry and $134.00 for multiple entries. Please print receipt of payment which includes the order number and attach submit with documents. Log on to https://enjazit.com.sa/ . Click on “Apply for a visa to enter the Kingdom by individuals.” It is important to record the request number on the application and present it to the Consulate. Please Read the Guideline for enjaz online application.
Minors (under 18 years of age) travelling alone or with one parent must submit a notrized letter of authorization, in either in Arabic or English, signed by both parents or legal guardians.
To apply, Please use one of the authorized travel agencies by the Embassy at the following link :
http://www.saudiembassy.net/_pvw37F68B18/services/visa_offices_registered_with_enjaz.aspx
Note: to follow up on your visa status, please contact your visa agent.
Mailing addresses

Notes:

Visitors should not overstay the time granted on the visa.
Business visas do not grant the applicant the right to work or to reside in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Visitors to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia must abide by the country’s Islamic laws and regulations and respect its society’s values and traditions.
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s laws against drug trafficking are strictly enforced. Violators are subject to severe punishment, which may include the death penalty."


http://www.saudiembassy.net/services/business_visit.aspx

http://www.saudiarabiavisa.co.uk/visa-types-to-saudi.html

Regards,
John
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hash



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elamericano wrote:
A businessman who comes to Saudi Arabia on a business visa and does business is also working.
Your original statement was: Of course you can work in KSA on a business visa if you're going with one of the military contractors. Your employer is a foreign entity.

This remains totally untrue. Unless you have personally been in that situation ("I heard that..." or "Someone told me that..." doesn't count), your statement is a complete distortion of the facts and is grossly misinformed. I assure you that no ESL teacher is working and residing at Vinnell in Riyadh on a "business visa".

(One can, of course, "work" in KSA on a "business/visit" visa as an ESL teacher. Many have admitted that they are under that status. But the fact remains it is illegal. No military contractor (your origianl example) is going to have a teacher coming here to work illegally).

All my statements assume a "legal" status for the employee. I have no idea what is "illegal" or what the circumstances or consequences may be for someone working "illegally".
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BajaLaJaula



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked on a visit visa for 6 months with a US military contractor. After that I returned to the US and they were able to get me a proper work visa.
Is it illegal? Yes it seems so.
Do they do it anyway? Yes they certainly do, including US companies in Saudi.


*** Any news on Booz Allen *** They are advertising again.


Will they get to stay on for the remaining 2 years of their contract?

I have heard a lot of rumors...anyone on the inside have any information they can share?
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