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The CFT Watchers



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 2:18 am    Post subject: Putian no 10 middle school Reply with quote

The school itself is not actually in Putian but in an out-lying foothills area. Putian can be reached by bus but service is limited to 730am to 630pm. There is no airport in Putian the closest being in Xiamen or Fuzhou. There is train service and bus service. Reports from two teachers (one male, one female) are as follows:

A) School provides apartment on campus. The apartment is on the first floor of the boys dormitory. There is no lighting of the walkway to the door at night and the teacher is exposed to a huge school population. One apartment is equipped with a western toilet, hot water tank, washing machine, hot plate, table and chairs, hard straw bed, wardrobe cabinet. Apartment has A/C but heat is refused by the school in the apartments and classrooms. The other apartments are Chinese equipped and spartan. Windows are not screened and there is a mosquito and vermin problem in the building with mice and roaches. Reported to the teacher on campus to keep the windows open because the paint in the apartment might be toxic. Water is not potable even from the supposed drinking water faucet. Water must be purchased off campus. No plate under the door to the apartment and two inch gap. Environment is very windy and can be brutally cold in the winter time. Teachers walk way is not kept clean and has trash, filth, bird droppings, etc. Food is available for purchase either at the school or in the surrounding neighborhood. School has a giant loudspeaker atop one of the buildings that begins blasting distorted music, reveille, and short speeches beginning at 6am around every 45 minutes and not stopping until 10pm. The music plays for about forty minutes at lunch and dinner.

B) Teacher is responsible for 800+ students. Assistant is not provided and prospective assistants have all refused positions at the school. The students are broken down into 17 classes. Materials are not provided with the exception of one special class. Teachers are also required to maintain an "English Corner" class in addition to their workload. The teaching schedule can change day-to-day and teaching schedule changes have occured as late as 10pm at night for the next day. Teachers are under contract from an agency in Xiamen called Kidstar Education and a man named "Jack Ji" (refer to google). Both teachers have reported that their salary was cut for at least three months and that "Jack Ji" does not honor the contract in force.

C) Teachers have reported grave personal safety concerns. Students screaming anti-American rhetoric as late as 1030pm on several occasions. This is not restricted to the school property. Incidents have occurred outside of the school around and at the bus stop area near the school.

D) Students behavior in the school towards the foreign teacher is neither monitored or controlled. Students are indifferent to the classroom curriculum and are combative toward even basic discipline or control. The students English usage level is either negligible or non-existent. The students have "piggish" behaviors and often leave trash in the desks, old food, bottles, etc.. There is no school sanitation crew and the Chinese teachers do not clean up after the students.
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zacharybilton



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Obviously you are new to China and did no research before going to such a place, China. No red-carpet treatment and so you complain online.
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mysterytrain



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Putian no 10 middle school Reply with quote

The CFT Watchers wrote:
Environment is very windy and can be brutally cold in the winter time.

Hmm ... who's in charge of climatology locally? It seems they have been rather derelict in their duties in terms of providing a sufficiently pleasant environment, weather-wise. Perhaps they could be taken to court.

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The students English usage level is either negligible or non-existent.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons foreign teachers were hired to teach English to them? Just a guess.
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zacharybilton



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, the OP (name doesn't deserve to be repeated) seem to be on a rant against all schools and individuals. Another self appointed "union" maybe?
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mysterytrain



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, but I am rather dubious about the veracity of the claim that "they" are actually Chinese (or ex-Chinese) former teachers or staff of the company named. If true, my apologies for being a doubting Thomas, but ... it does not seem likely that Chinese employees would bother registering on an EFL site forum to complain about the way they and foreign teachers have been treated, so it does make me a bit suspicious ...

As to the username, it makes me think of something along the lines of "the Boxcar Children meets the X Files", but that's okay. I have fond though vague memories of reading the adventures of the former, back in the day, and less fond memories of watching the latter.

Then again, "zachary bilton" might just be Jack the Knave himself, who knows?

I doubt (there I go again) that many FTs are in danger of being ensnared by Jack and sent to the abysmal dungeon of "Putian No. 3 Middle School" anyway, but maybe this cautionary tale will scare off the few who might be tempted to "go there". Is "Jack" getting a fair or a bad rap / rep here? The Shadow knows ...
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterytrain wrote:
Then again, "zachary bilton" might just be Jack the Knave himself, who knows?


No, it's called astro-turfing (similar to good/bad cop) precipitating discussion to substantiate a topic by presenting dissension where there is none.
zacharybilton is a sock-puppet presenting a distance from itself and a concern. Oddly, while griefing other threads.
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mysterytrain



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
mysterytrain wrote:
Then again, "zachary bilton" might just be Jack the Knave himself, who knows?


No, it's called astro-turfing (similar to good/bad cop) precipitating discussion to substantiate a topic by presenting dissension where there is none.
zacharybilton is a sock-puppet presenting a distance from itself and a concern. Oddly, while griefing other threads.

Astro-turfing? Good cop / Bad cop? Are these trolling techniques, or sexual fetishes?
Confused
Hmm ... much to learn have I, Obiwan! What's this "force" thingy, anyway? Laughing
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The CFT Watchers



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:33 am    Post subject: The "Red Carpet Treatment" Reply with quote

Windows are not screened and there is a mosquito and vermin problem in the building with mice and roaches
keep the windows open because the paint in the apartment might be toxic
Water is not potable
heat is refused by the school in the apartments and classrooms
can be brutally cold in the winter time

These are the same conditions that exist in foreign prisons. So if a teacher goes to a foreign country providing BASIC NECESSITIES would be considered say: posh, extravagant, lavish?

salary was cut for at least three months
does not honor the contract in force

Ok so now the teacher has his salary cut. Now he or she cannot afford to provide his own water, heat, and pest control. Not to mention that this is a scam, cheating, bait and switch, and AGAINST CHINA FOREIGN TEACHER CONTRACT LAW.

So which employee of this company are you exactly?
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7969



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: The "Red Carpet Treatment" Reply with quote

The CFT Watchers wrote:
Windows are not screened and there is a mosquito and vermin problem in the building with mice and roaches
keep the windows open because the paint in the apartment might be toxic

Screens are not the norm here in China, but if you ask you can get them installed. My apartment never had them when I arrived here in 2006 but I asked and had them within two weeks. A FT in the apartment above me doesn't have screens and he seems fine with it.

The CFT Watchers wrote:
Water is not potable even from the supposed drinking water faucet. Water must be purchased off campus.

And? No-one I know drinks tap water here, and everyone purchases and drinks bottled water. What makes these two teachers so special? Tap water is fine for other stuff like showering and cleaning.

The CFT Watchers wrote:
heat is refused by the school in the apartments and classrooms can be brutally cold in the winter time

No-one in southern China has indoor heat like they do in the north and this is no secret. If you're cold get a heater or turn your air-con/heating unit on. Throw on more clothes. Start a campfire. FYI Putian is a coastal city between Fuzhou and Xiamen and is not "brutally cold" during the short winters they experience. Average Jan-Feb low is 10C and average high is 17C, which is about the same as my location. If you're from a northern country it's practically summer weather.

The CFT Watchers wrote:
salary was cut for at least three months does not honor the contract in force

If this is even true anyone who works past the first month without payment or with some salary held back needs their head examined. If you're not paid you stop working until you are.

The CFT Watchers wrote:
Ok so now the teacher has his salary cut. Now he or she cannot afford to provide his own water, heat, and pest control. Not to mention that this is a scam, cheating, bait and switch, and AGAINST CHINA FOREIGN TEACHER CONTRACT LAW. So which employee of this company are you exactly?

Just who are you exactly? The same person who's been posting crap and spam links on this site for months on end. Why can't the two teachers who supposedly worked at this school post their story themselves? Are they working here legally? My guess is...... no. This is another rant against some random school/recruiter by someone who obviously knows little about living here.


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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterytrain wrote:
Astro-turfing? Good cop / Bad cop? Are these trolling techniques, or sexual fetishes?
Yes, trolling techniques with multiple sock-puppets. You might have already searched the terms, so forgive my language if it's patronizing:

Say someone, or a group of people, have a concern, but have met resistance or disinterest to it; In this case, labor laws in China. SockPuppet A posts an appeal, or argument, or anecdote, usually with flaws, and SockPuppet B responds critically and without sympathy (another kind of flaw) to provide the concern with opposite ends of a spectrum. Actual posters, seeking to absolve the dissension, or offer their perspective, engage the discussion further. "Seeding" an argument is a term for it, or "steering" discussion is another.

This effects discussions about topics not normally of significant interest were a lone voice making the appeal. Guerilla marketing campaigns are credited with its first use, but investigators make much use of it to draw out revealing, and/or compromising, information.

A goal is to maintain a visibility of the concern for as long as possible by having presented two "targets" for disagreement.

Confirming such agenda (versus proving) is relatively easy if you're bored: presented language is nearly always inconsistent, moreso with a single author.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Putian no 10 middle school Reply with quote

The CFT Watchers wrote:
. The students have "piggish" behaviors and often leave trash in the desks, old food, bottles, etc.. There is no school sanitation crew and the Chinese teachers do not clean up after the students.


hahaha that's pretty much all of china - haven't you noticed?
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Son of Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must the CFTU post its gripes here? For the past three years we've heard about its power and influence. What happened?
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
mysterytrain wrote:
Astro-turfing? Good cop / Bad cop? Are these trolling techniques, or sexual fetishes?
Yes, trolling techniques with multiple sock-puppets. You might have already searched the terms, so forgive my language if it's patronizing:

Say someone, or a group of people, have a concern, but have met resistance or disinterest to it; In this case, labor laws in China. SockPuppet A posts an appeal, or argument, or anecdote, usually with flaws, and SockPuppet B responds critically and without sympathy (another kind of flaw) to provide the concern with opposite ends of a spectrum. Actual posters, seeking to absolve the dissension, or offer their perspective, engage the discussion further. "Seeding" an argument is a term for it, or "steering" discussion is another.

This effects discussions about topics not normally of significant interest were a lone voice making the appeal. Guerilla marketing campaigns are credited with its first use, but investigators make much use of it to draw out revealing, and/or compromising, information.

A goal is to maintain a visibility of the concern for as long as possible by having presented two "targets" for disagreement.

Ah, I see. So the boxcar files and sir zachary are one and the same. Give it up, Agents Scummy and Moldy: you're busted.

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Confirming such agenda (versus proving) is relatively easy if you're bored: presented language is nearly always inconsistent, moreso with a single author.

Hmm ... good question: just how bored am I, at this moment? Mm ... well, yeah, it's easy enough to note that the usage mistakes from the first "ex-Chinese" post, which seemed a bit forced in the first place, pretty much disappeared altogether in the more recent one. One must be careful when using disguises.

Incidentally,O Sockmaster, positing a question to an unknown "you" without quoting or otherwise identifying the addressee is a clear sign of posting incompetence, whether feigned or genuine.

I had some fun playing with a few sock puppets of my own some years ago on an unrelated site, but I grew out of them, so to speak.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having seen the OP name - this thread is not worth the time it takes to read it.

Anything ' CFT' is scam, troll, or just pure BS.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike w wrote:
Having seen the OP name - this thread is not worth the time it takes to read it.

Anything ' CFT' is scam, troll, or just pure BS.

That's normally good advice mike, but forum newbies will read this crap and believe it unless we post otherwise.
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