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hdeth · Joined: 20 Jan 2015 Posts: 583

I suspect something like this will happen:

Apply for the job.
School doesn't care about your experience.
Someone asks for your resume, and make sure it's in word format, not a pdf!
Everything works out

It's a visa requirement, not the school's requirement. I highly suspect they edit your resume and send it in.

Not all schools will do that. My current school does everything strictly by the make-it-up-as-the-visa-officer-goes work visa regulations. I had to add in specific dates of employment and all sorts of other crap.

litterascriptor · Joined: 17 Jan 2013 Posts: 360

Go ahead and apply for the job but don't lie on your resume. If the school wants you, they'll sort it out with the PSB or edit your resume themselves.

Either way, don't come unless they offer the proper visa.

zacharybilton · Joined: 23 Apr 2015 Posts: 118

Ohhhh, well then that makes it all okay. We all know nobody will check. So why be honest. Why not just make a fake Ph.D. certificate as well, why not go all out. You people are going to be so out of luck in the next couple of years when China follows Korea in needing sealed transcripts, original degrees, and more.

I'd love someone to put together some research and find how and where people jump from. Which countries have people been to to teach and which country was next and next and the related to changing or evolving laws about verifiable credentials and criminal records.

That would be great to reinforce my certainty - but then that would require honesty on-part of answer questions for the research and since this thread is entirely about fraud, they'll never happen.

I'd be happy to do two thing:

(1) post my verifiable credentials

(2) post a verifiable example of a female teacher who used to work in Taian, Shandong, who attended a single university in the US, never graduated, far from it, came to China, claimed to have graduated, created fake degrees, fake resume information, fake references, even fake transcripts from the actual university once enrolled in. Married a Chinese guy and had a baby in China. Technically speaking her marriage was thus illegal as she was in the country illegally.

Did you know that you can now be rewarded by the government by reporting people who are in the country illegally and are fraudulent?

Someone who is going to fake things, well don't use a school like that where you can simply email them, show them a copy of the "degree" which can then be verified as fake from the school.

Let's get a teacher black-list going here. Verifiable information as to fraud should be posted here. It protects honest foreign experts, cleans the field, allowing more pure salaries and respect, and will allow you to show your employer their screw-ups when hiring people that are verifiable frauds.

I'm happy to start. I was the hiring authority at one school a few years ago and had 200+ applications in 2 years for job openings and entirely confirmed 11 submitted fake degrees and references on the resume.

I'll contribute.

Lies are lies. Obtaining work credentials with lies is a criminal offense, even in China. Just because you don't get caught.

Where is the precious CFTU now? Not here to protect the rights of HONEST teachers first?

Janiny · Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 199

The poster above spouts on and on about intellectual honesty although he is neither intellectual nor honest. He may have the proper papers to be working in China, yet his post is so riddled with errors that I am sure he should not be trusted to correct a student of English's work be it written or spoken.

"Technically speaking her marriage was thus illegal as she was in the country illegally."

I have no more knowledge of Chinese marriage laws than the poster who obviously has none at all, but common sense tells me the lady's spouse could not have their marriage annulled because she taught with a fake degree.

"Did you know that you can now be rewarded by the government by reporting people who are in the country illegally and are fraudulent?"

No, I did not. Thank you. I will report you because even if you do have the right documentation you are clearly a blowhard and a fraud.

kev20 · Joined: 31 Jul 2013 Posts: 114

Look, there is a valid reason for not wanting phonies coming to China as more often than not these are the types of people who cheat in other ways to give foreigners a bad reputation.

In terms of job performance I've encountered all sorts of people from dyslexics to people with obvious speech impediments who are teaching in public schools. Maybe they have the right documents but how some people get jobs here is beyond me. And the most qualified person trying to do the best job will lose out to the people who know how to play the game, who speak up at meetings even if they're talking complete rubbish, like their bosses wechat moment even though it's in Chinese and they can't speak or read a word of it. Looking like you're doing a good job is more important than doing a good job.

I would be happy if China was stricter about documentation as I'm here on merit.

asiannationmc · Joined: 13 Aug 2014 Posts: 1342

kev20 · Joined: 31 Jul 2013 Posts: 114

water rat · Joined: 30 Aug 2014 Posts: 1098 Location: North Antarctica

First Kev, can I say I find the term 'rat' rather offensive and racist. Rattus rattus is a proud and noble race, and we never snitch on anyone - unless of course there is a bit of cheese to be gained! Smile

Otherwise you are right, but do recall that the OP is only asking if there's a risk in his telling a little white lie about having only sixteen months experience instead of two full years.

Of course the Chinese ought to be wary of giving a working visa to someone with a serious criminal record, and they are right to ask for a rap sheet.

asiannationmc · Joined: 13 Aug 2014 Posts: 1342

zacharybilton · Joined: 23 Apr 2015 Posts: 118

Shanghai Noon · Joined: 18 Aug 2013 Posts: 589 Location: Shanghai, China

I don't know about other provinces, but Shanghai doesn't require two years of experience if you have a TESOL certificate or something like that. You can even take your TESOL course in China at Bob's Most Best TESOL Training Center (I did).

asiannationmc · Joined: 13 Aug 2014 Posts: 1342

Son of Bud Powell · Joined: 04 Mar 2015 Posts: 179 Location: Since 2003

zb,

Here's a little reminder for you:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=58022

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the moderators.

Peace and happiness to you always.

Son of Bud Powell · Joined: 04 Mar 2015 Posts: 179 Location: Since 2003

AKChina · Joined: 29 Apr 2015 Posts: 52

I'd never snitch on anyone for any reason, except in the case of a convicted pedophile teaching kids. However, given that's not the kind of thing anyone is going to tell you, essentially I'd never snitch on anyone.

Essentially it's the fault of the employer if they didn't verify work history/degree certificates/criminal records. They get the types of teachers they deserve.