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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:37 am    Post subject: CELTA... difficult?? Reply with quote

What exactly is supposed to be difficult in the CELTA course. It seems to just be all about doing what another person (the tutor) suggests you do—in input or in lesson prep. The assignments can be done in a few hours and overall, you can just take materials right from the course books.

I don't understand what the big deal is. It's certainly easier than what most people make it out to be.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. You are expected to come up with original lessons and not just copy out of a textbook.

2. You are critiqued on your preparation, classroom management and attainment or non-attainment of the lesson objectives.

3. There is often a grammar module and a written exam that tests your language awareness.

4. There is a lot to do in the four weeks with tests, assignments, lesson preparation and self reflection.

Overall, it is a pretty comprehensive course (CELTA or Trinity CertTESOL) and if you want to get a good grade you need to work for it.
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Gamajorba



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also pretty damn intensive. I did mine in a group of 16, of which half of them had masters degrees, and of those with masters 2 had PGCEs as well. A fair number of the group had also had up to 5 years teaching experience each.

The PGCE students said CELTA was actually more difficult than the PGCE! Those with teaching experience said they've never had so much stress planning lessons as well!

...and there I was with 0 class experience (I had been teaching privately/online) and 0 proper planning experience... Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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Phillip Schofield



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware! Don't try and be smart whilst doing the CELTA. You basically need to do as your told and think how they tell you to think.

A colleague of mine attempted to incorporate Bloom’s Taxonomy into a lesson plan. The lesson plan was sound, but didn't follow the IH tutors grading matrix, so he was told that they would simply fail him unless he taught in their standardized teaching format.

CELTA can also be difficult if you've experience real teaching and real students (e.g. They teach you how to teach in an ideal situation, not a real world situation). However, I suspect that the courses differ depending on the location and tutors.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ability to live on 5 hours of sleep for 3 weeks was the most important factor in my passing the CELTA. I was green as grass and had no teaching experience and they gave us more homework assignments than we could possibly do without giving up some sleep. It required commitment and endurance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phillip Schofield wrote:
Beware! Don't try and be smart whilst doing the CELTA. You basically need to do as your told and think how they tell you to think.

A colleague of mine attempted to incorporate Bloom’s Taxonomy into a lesson plan. The lesson plan was sound, but didn't follow the IH tutors grading matrix, so he was told that they would simply fail him unless he taught in their standardized teaching format.

CELTA can also be difficult if you've experience real teaching and real students (e.g. They teach you how to teach in an ideal situation, not a real world situation). However, I suspect that the courses differ depending on the location and tutors.


What was he trying to do, exactly? Something to do with learning styles? Should not have been an issue. But perhaps the lesson just wasn't sound for other reasons..?
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Phillip Schofield



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:


What was he trying to do, exactly? Something to do with learning styles? Should not have been an issue. But perhaps the lesson just wasn't sound for other reasons..?


I don't know what exactly he was trying to do, but he said that it didn't fall within their grading matrix, so they would have had issues with marking it.
I guess it's more difficult to check the box 'did teacher present a fixed practice activity' when the teacher uses a different system.

Although to be honest, I'm not entirely sure why they wouldn't be able to follow such a plan, as I can see ways to incorporate every traditional step of ESL teaching into the taxonomy.
I suspect the tutor probably couldn't be bothered to go through such a lesson plan and work out whether it met their criteria. If you have to check 20 teacher's lesson plans, I imagine they don't want anything which is going to result in them working longer than necessary.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. It sounds more like he was doing something irrelevant to language teaching then. Celta criteria are easy enough to meet. I can't see how a valid efl lesson plan wouldn't pass a Celta assessment. Much more likely this plan went off the rails somehow.

Could be wrong. But neither of us knows what his LP was.
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Foma87



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my personal experience CELTA or any other special certification is not necessary, at least far the TEFL market in Moscow. No schools I know of demand them, just a university degree. It won't help you make any more money, either. It might prepare you better when first starting off, but it's nothing compared to real experience. You might be better off just volunteering at a community college for a month or so (and it's free). I've managed very well without one, don't feel it's held me back in the slightest, either. Others might argue otherwise, though.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure you have managed without it and good luck to you. The best things about the training are 1. you get feedback on your teaching, 2. you learn about different teaching approaches, and 3. you can identify areas to improve on with your tutor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

currentaffairs wrote:
I am sure you have managed without it and good luck to you. The best things about the training are 1. you get feedback on your teaching, 2. you learn about different teaching approaches, and 3. you can identify areas to improve on with your tutor.


With a good DoS you can also achieve these things.
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