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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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If you decide to work in China, please negotiate an appropriate salary with that school. I see these saps coming in on salaries like that and it draws down everyone else. You should be looking in the low 20's if no housing. high teens or 20ish with shared housing. 10k is a joke for that job. They do the same thing at my school...try to get someone to come in for 10k and shared housing and moan about how this is China and it's not a rich country, blah blah blah.....meanwhile the parents are paying 2-4x the tuition as a private school in the west.
The kids in the lower ranked groups will be misbehaving and apathetic. The kids in the higher ranked groups can be very well behaved. |
Yup. They will pay as low as they can as long as there is someone who is willing to accept. I get 50 percent more than that salary and less than half the hours. This is not out of the ordinary either since as you mentioned, parents pay a sick amount of money every year (100-200,000) at the school I am working at. |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| Are you an older gentleman by any chance? |
| theoriginalprankster wrote: |
| I’m a single male in my late 30s . . . |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Late 30s... That's ancient.  |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Late 30s... That's ancient. |
Which makes me . . . post-ancient?  |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| Late 30s... That's ancient. |
Which makes me . . . post-ancient? |
A fossil.  |
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hdeth
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| hdeth wrote: |
If you decide to work in China, please negotiate an appropriate salary with that school. I see these saps coming in on salaries like that and it draws down everyone else. You should be looking in the low 20's if no housing. high teens or 20ish with shared housing. 10k is a joke for that job. They do the same thing at my school...try to get someone to come in for 10k and shared housing and moan about how this is China and it's not a rich country, blah blah blah.....meanwhile the parents are paying 2-4x the tuition as a private school in the west.
The kids in the lower ranked groups will be misbehaving and apathetic. The kids in the higher ranked groups can be very well behaved. |
Yup. They will pay as low as they can as long as there is someone who is willing to accept. I get 50 percent more than that salary and less than half the hours. This is not out of the ordinary either since as you mentioned, parents pay a sick amount of money every year (100-200,000) at the school I am working at. |
I don't even understand how it happens sometimes. The job ad I applied for was for 15k gross...yet I've met teachers here who came in on 9k....how does that even happen? Is some recruiter taking a cut? Working the hours we do for 9k is totally crazy. Especially with shared housing. |
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Deats
Joined: 02 Jan 2015
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| That sounds quite interesting about retiring in Malaysia Markness. Any idea how much you need to have saved to retire there (by law)? Presumably you can buy property... maybe a guest house? Or couldn't you work (by law)? |
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theoriginalprankster
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
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| Honestly, with your experience... Neither. |
Seconded. With your experience you can work at a decent high school or continue being a trainer and bring in the dough. Are you an older gentleman by any chance? The reason I ask is the missus and I are probably going through with that "Malaysia my second home" program. You just need X amount in your bank and you can retire there. The direction I am going with this is that you could work in China/save the $$ until you are old enough and then just retire in Malaysia (I'm sure you don't need to be too worried about finding a gig if you are worried you're running out of money).
What do you think? |
I'm not keen on working in the mad frenzy of the big Tier 1 or 2 cities. Xiamen was even too crowded for me at times.
I'm in my late 30s.
Never done teacher training before, but I'm sure I'm capable, although there will be an adjustment period and learning curve.
I'm still looking on the job boards daily for alternatives..
EDIT: Guess I had it pretty sweet when I taught at the uni two days a week (8 hours) and examined 2-3 times/month. I was sitting pretty on 16-20k/m, until the uni cut back on foreign teachers (and/or I wasn't prepared to teach on their satellite campus an hour away, as opposed to the main campus which was 5 minutes by bus from home).
Also lost the IELTS examining job when they went haywire last year after the gubment took a special interest in their operations, and they turfed anyone who wasn't willing to relocate to one of their four core centres (Tier 1/2 cities) and sign a very nasty contract.
Such is life, now I have the opportunity for change - which is probably good, as I would have gone on teaching uni and examining until I was a 'fossil'.
"Rough seas make better sailors".. |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Late 30s... That's ancient. |
Which makes me . . . post-ancient? |
A fossil. |
No doubt, some of my students would agree! |
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Markness
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Location: Chengdu
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Deats wrote: |
| That sounds quite interesting about retiring in Malaysia Markness. Any idea how much you need to have saved to retire there (by law)? Presumably you can buy property... maybe a guest house? Or couldn't you work (by law)? |
You need 300,000RMB in the bank and this part I am a bit fuzzy on, but I think you need to be over 50. Once you get that you can sponsor your whole family to go there for 10 years, and the visa is renewable (as long as you've got the money I'm pretty sure).
And yeah, you'd probably just rent a guesthouse there. Depends on how much moolah you've got in the bank. People in China that are doing pretty good at retirement age probably have 1,000,000 (because of their house). What's a wiser idea? Toughening it out in some grungy noisy place, or living within a stones-throw away from a beach? They can sell their house and retire in a beautiful place, or live near their family. The choice is simple to us, but to them.. hmm.. heh. |
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Markness
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| hdeth wrote: |
| Markness wrote: |
| hdeth wrote: |
If you decide to work in China, please negotiate an appropriate salary with that school. I see these saps coming in on salaries like that and it draws down everyone else. You should be looking in the low 20's if no housing. high teens or 20ish with shared housing. 10k is a joke for that job. They do the same thing at my school...try to get someone to come in for 10k and shared housing and moan about how this is China and it's not a rich country, blah blah blah.....meanwhile the parents are paying 2-4x the tuition as a private school in the west.
The kids in the lower ranked groups will be misbehaving and apathetic. The kids in the higher ranked groups can be very well behaved. |
Yup. They will pay as low as they can as long as there is someone who is willing to accept. I get 50 percent more than that salary and less than half the hours. This is not out of the ordinary either since as you mentioned, parents pay a sick amount of money every year (100-200,000) at the school I am working at. |
I don't even understand how it happens sometimes. The job ad I applied for was for 15k gross...yet I've met teachers here who came in on 9k....how does that even happen? Is some recruiter taking a cut? Working the hours we do for 9k is totally crazy. Especially with shared housing. |
If they can get away with it, they will. Especially if some of that dough is ending up in their own pocket. I know that I'd do the same as an owner of a school if I could get away with it. But 9k in BJ is a rip-off, especially with shared housing. Where is the honor? Haha. |
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hdeth
Joined: 20 Jan 2015
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| Deats wrote: |
| That sounds quite interesting about retiring in Malaysia Markness. Any idea how much you need to have saved to retire there (by law)? Presumably you can buy property... maybe a guest house? Or couldn't you work (by law)? |
You need 300,000RMB in the bank and this part I am a bit fuzzy on, but I think you need to be over 50. Once you get that you can sponsor your whole family to go there for 10 years, and the visa is renewable (as long as you've got the money I'm pretty sure).
And yeah, you'd probably just rent a guesthouse there. Depends on how much moolah you've got in the bank. People in China that are doing pretty good at retirement age probably have 1,000,000 (because of their house). What's a wiser idea? Toughening it out in some grungy noisy place, or living within a stones-throw away from a beach? They can sell their house and retire in a beautiful place, or live near their family. The choice is simple to us, but to them.. hmm.. heh. |
There are some nice little beach communities in Shandong that are basically deserted. If someone cleaned up the beaches a little bit and you got satellite internet, I could see that being a decent option for retirement. That's what I'm thinking about. Certainly not as beautiful as in the tropics but has a really rugged quality to it that reminds me of parts of the Oregon coast, and I just can't take the heat of the tropics year-round.
I'm sure that sounds like a nightmare to some....
Having 1,000,000 rmb at retirement...that's a scary low amount of money. |
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Deats
Joined: 02 Jan 2015
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You could only retire in China if you are are married to a Chinese person though, presumably?
I agree, 1,000,000 is peanuts to retire on. I'm thinking more along the lines of 5,000,000 if I think I might have to live a further 30 years with a wife and child to support (uni tuition fees are astronomical). The dream is to retire by the time I am 50.
Can you buy property in Malaysia? I think you can in Thailand. You could build a nice place by the sea and a couple of small cottages to rent out on your property... if that is allowed? Maybe you can't work though if you are retired? |
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hdeth
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In Thailand last I checked you could only buy condos as a foreigner. There used to be a way to form a business and buy real property that way but the government was cracking down on it.
Who knows what will happen as regimes change there.,,,that's the part about retiring in Thailand that I wouldn't like. So many regime changes....kinda risky. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| theoriginalprankster wrote: |
Never done teacher training before, but I'm sure I'm capable, although there will be an adjustment period and learning curve.
I'm still looking on the job boards daily for alternatives.. |
So you haven't yet made up your mind. Having teacher training experience on your CV is invaluable if you plan to advance in the field of TEFL (as would pursuing a relevant MA). |
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