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nomad soul
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| If you want a high salary in Saudi Arabia, the best jobs I know of, are... |
Keep in mind those high salaries touted by others may not reflect the actual wage. They're very likely to include accommodation and travel allowances, airfare, visa costs, etc. This can be misleading. |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:42 am Post subject: |
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I pay my own accomodation, not a big deal in comparison to my salary.
Flights (3 return flights) can be booked on internal system, I usually book / pay it myself and get it remimbursed based on price my contractor gets - I have always made money by doing it myself.
Single entry visa - arranged free of charge.
MERV - cost reimbursed.
Just my own case. |
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yep
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Its not really misleading if they say 'all in'... that means including all benefits the sum total is...xx and they go home each month with xx in their pocket to spend as they please.
Now, there may be slight differences in what each company provides for flights, visa etc. But none of these would amount to much. Except for perhaps child education. |
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cnthaiksarok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Saudi Aramco - up to £5000 a month but you need to pay for your accommodation. |
As a contracted employee, (with one of the 3 standards) the above is true, in most instances.
As a direct hire, the accom. is on them.
And as a sub-contracted employee, your subcontractor gets you (or pays for) a low-quality compound (or apt.) and... the above salary would be too high. |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| cnthaiksarok wrote: |
| travelbug66 wrote: |
| Saudi Aramco - up to £5000 a month but you need to pay for your accommodation. |
And as a sub-contracted employee, your subcontractor gets you (or pays for) a low-quality compound (or apt.) and... the above salary would be too high. |
.....salary would be too high?
I guess that really depends on the salary they initially offer and if you accept it. |
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cnthaiksarok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, "salary" and "too high" don't work well together as its a contradiction in terms for those of us not in admin. or human resources.
My point was...
If there's someone out there working for an agency (aka: subcontractor) getting North of 7,000 USD per month for one of these add-ons who teach under the auspices of Aramco (without all the perks),...I would be blown away, to say the least.
I'm afraid that the original post gives an unclear picture, since there are so many agencies out there offering so-called Aramco positions, when in fact the positions are much less than either thru a contractor (or moreso) as a direct.
As far as I can see, there are 3 main tiers when working for Aramco. |
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travelbug66
Joined: 27 May 2015
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I got a job with Saudi Aramco through a contractor. I went for an interview in London. They (the Aramco interviewers) offered around £4500 initially, I asked for a 10% hike, and they got back to me within minutes saying that was acceptable.
At the time, I had 12 years experience, an MA TESOL and CELTA.
The pay as other people have said was basically all inclusive, so accommodation and flights, etc were up to me. I found an alright apartment to live in for £400 a month inclusive all bills.
Saudi Aramco is one of the better contracts out there.
BAE Systems was better overall, as they offered everything included, flights, bonus, shares, accommodation, a pension (yes - unheard of), and a superb compound.
I would still be there (in either job) if not for marital problems!
But that's for another board ! |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| cnthaiksarok wrote: |
If there's someone out there working for an agency (aka: subcontractor) getting North of 7,000 USD per month for one of these add-ons who teach under the auspices of Aramco (without all the perks),...I would be blown away, to say the least.
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There are people out there getting north of 7,000USD working through a contractor. Though, not living on a compound does have its drawbacks.
DITTO......The BAE compound is really a great place, been there few times. |
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cnthaiksarok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Makkah wrote: |
| There are people out there getting north of 7,000USD working through a contractor. |
*sigh* I was speaking of the SUBcontractors....the 3rd tier. The bottom. |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cnthaiksarok wrote: |
| Makkah wrote: |
| There are people out there getting north of 7,000USD working through a contractor. |
*sigh* I was speaking of the SUBcontractors....the 3rd tier. The bottom. |
Recruitment agency / consultant - Contractor - Aramco. Your contract is with the Contractor.
Some cases where the Contractor advertises directly
Contractor - Aramco.
Again your contract is with the Contractor.
That's the chain. No idea where your are getting subcontractor from. Maybe you know people (English teachers) who are being contracted by a subcontractor who sells the service to an approved Contractor who then sells the service to Aramco. |
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cnthaiksarok
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Makkah wrote: |
| Maybe you know people (English teachers) who are being contracted by a subcontractor who sells the service to an approved Contractor who then sells the service to Aramco. |
That's very close to what I understood the operation to be. I don't only know teachers, but I was one for a short time. |
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Makkah
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| cnthaiksarok wrote: |
| Makkah wrote: |
| Maybe you know people (English teachers) who are being contracted by a subcontractor who sells the service to an approved Contractor who then sells the service to Aramco. |
That's very close to what I understood the operation to be. I don't only know teachers, but I was one for a short time. |
Well, each to his own unique understanding. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul initially wrote: |
What's your take on disclosing one's personal salary to others, including coworkers?
Do you feel there's an obligation to share such info on this forum and/or with coworkers because it's helpful? Moreover, do you trust what others say they earn? Or do you suspect some people inflate those numbers?
On the other hand, do you withhold info about your salary from others? You may feel it's no one's business what you or anyone else makes (for whatever reason).
Your comments are welcome. |
For those of you who ticked "It depends," what factors would need to be in place in order for you (or others) to disclose pay? |
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paul.conlong
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't disclose it due to potential repercussions from the employer, as in if they find out that you have disclosed your wages they start messing around with you. |
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