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fchris171



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:48 am    Post subject: IELTS exam auto-remark Reply with quote

A quick question to any IETLS examiners here.

If there is a difference of 2 bands or more between any modules do they automatically get remarked?

For example, if one achieved the below scores would they automatically be checked again? I've heard that they do, however I've never actually heard this from the horses mouth.

Reading: 8.5
Listening: 7
Speaking:6.5
Writing: 6
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jagged profiles? Yes, is the short answer to your question. But the exact mechanism is not really made public. Just if the speaking or writing doesn't seem to match the receptive skills
papers, then a second examiner blind marks the speaking or writing again.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not so sure that the above would trigger any system alarm
bells though. It's quite usual for Reading the score higher than the others.
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Deats



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts too Sasha. If anything, the reading seems the anomaly. They won't check if three disciplines are within 1 band, surely?

This really is just my opinion though. I'd be very interested to hear your outcome fchris. Maybe we'll get a clearer understanding of the process if you successfully appeal. Please keep us updated!
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone who recently got 8 or 8.5 in Reading, Speaking and Listening, and 6.5 in writing and she didn't get an auto-remark.
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Deats



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think all 4 disciplines are so different that it actually makes sense that sometimes people's bands vary wildly.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really about whether jagged profiles are likely or not. It's that speaking and writing are graded by people rather than computers. So if one of those scores is way off compared to the others it's flagged up in case it's due to grader error.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If something tripped a switch in the IELTS system, the candidates wouldn't necessarily be told about it. The re-marking just happens as needed, and then the results are released.

Challenging the mark is a different process, though it does involve re-marking also. (Which, incidentally, is free of charge if the marks are adjusted upwards. Shhhh! IDP doesn't like test-takers to know that, though....)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
(Which, incidentally, is free of charge if the marks are adjusted upwards. Shhhh! IDP doesn't like test-takers to know that, though....)
It's made public for crying out loud.

Many assertions made on this thread (and a related, recent one) have been conclusive claims seeking to indicate/distinguish effects/causes in terms convenient to an assumption. What metrics show (and how) is a science and collaborative practice with exacting terms and procedures. Among professionals with education degrees, assessment is typically one and two semester courses that go a long way in terms of elevating discussion, though any and all disciplines are appropriately fertile grounds for disagreement.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
I know someone who recently got 8 or 8.5 in Reading, Speaking and Listening, and 6.5 in writing and she didn't get an auto-remark.

She wouldn't know that.

It might have been second marked and the original bands could have stood, or been changed but she'd only see the final mark.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
Sashadroogie wrote:
(Which, incidentally, is free of charge if the marks are adjusted upwards. Shhhh! IDP doesn't like test-takers to know that, though....)
It's made public for crying out loud.

Many assertions made on this thread (and a related, recent one) have been conclusive claims seeking to indicate/distinguish effects/causes in terms convenient to an assumption. What metrics show (and how) is a science and collaborative practice with exacting terms and procedures. Among professionals with education degrees, assessment is typically one and two semester courses that go a long way in terms of elevating discussion, though any and all disciplines are appropriately fertile grounds for disagreement.


IELTS centres do not really publicise this. They don't want a deluge of disappointed test-takers coming back for a re-mark. The cost of having it checked again is supposed to act as a deterrent against this. But in genuine cases where a result was too low, the fee isn't applied.

I doubt you'll see this written in too many places in IELTS literature. Possibly in the small print. Definitely not prominently. So your 'for crying out loud' comment is both rude and reveals an extraordinary level of presumption. The metrics of the test are not the same as administrative policies. Remind the other posters here for how long you've worked as an IELTS examiner, or in an IELTS test centre?
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kpjf



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick google for IELTS remark shows several results that clearly state that the fee will be refunded if the band score increases (no small print)

http://www.ieltsessentials.com/results/request_a_re-mark.aspx

Quote:
How much does an IELTS Enquiry on Results cost?

You must pay an enquiry fee, which is fully refunded if your band score changes. Contact your local test centre for more information about fees.


Another:

http://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/find-out-about-results/questions-about-your-ielts-results

Quote:
You will have to pay for an Enquiry on Results. This fee will be refunded if your score is increased for any part of the test. Enquiries on Results take 6 – 8 weeks to complete.


Another:

http://www.britishcouncil.sg/sites/britishcouncil.sg/files/ielts_enquiry_on_results_0.pdf

Quote:
The re-mark fee is S$185 per candidate for British Council centres. You will receive a full refund if your result is changed to a higher band score


Another:

https://www.ielts.org/TestCentreLogos/TestCentreAttachments/676b151d-4da7-4edc-b03a-e3af820823ae-1.pdf

Quote:
The re-mark fee is A$176 (inclusive of GST). You will receive a full refund if your result is changed to a higher band score and you will be issued with a new
Test Report Form. Your existing Test Report Form will be returned if there is no change


http://www.britishcouncil.id/en/exam/ielts

Quote:
How to query your score

In the unusual case you believe there has been a mistake in the marking, you can apply to our Enquiry on Results Service (EOR) to have your test re-marked. This must be done within six weeks of the test date. You can choose which sections of the test are re-marked. There is a fee for this service, which will be refunded should your overall score change. Enquiry on Results can take up to ten weeks to complete.



More:

http://www.britishcouncil.in/sites/britishcouncil.in2/files/application_form_for_enquiry_on_ielts_results.pdf

http://www.britishcouncil.hk/sites/britishcouncil.hk/files/hongkong-exams-ielts-eorform.pdf

https://malaysia.ielts.britishcouncil.org/iorpsea/html/content/result.jsp

http://www.britishcouncil.cz/en/exam/ielts/courses-resources/results
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice try, Sasha. We've stayed on another's good sides for a good long while now; don't get squirrely.

I've sourced and designed metrics, collaboratively developed them, and had them statistically validated-- not merely been trained. I'm curt within these IELTS threads because many claims are uninformed and resistant to contrary information. It's similar to someone engaging a topic on calculus while purporting some kinds of algebra are just wrong.

Both you and Spiral know ahelluvalot. And so do I. I know the IELTS was long in its development and the best measure of proficiency/competency money can buy. I'm American and must abide what claims TOEFL makes...the IELTS is more accurate, nuanced, and fair for many reasons.

That appreciation and knowledge came from actually making measures, not criticism of them.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kpjf wrote:
A quick google for IELTS remark shows several results that clearly state that the fee will be refunded if the band score increases (no small print)

http://www.ieltsessentials.com/results/request_a_re-mark.aspx

Quote:
How much does an IELTS Enquiry on Results cost?

You must pay an enquiry fee, which is fully refunded if your band score changes. Contact your local test centre for more information about fees.


Another:

http://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/find-out-about-results/questions-about-your-ielts-results

Quote:
You will have to pay for an Enquiry on Results. This fee will be refunded if your score is increased for any part of the test. Enquiries on Results take 6 – 8 weeks to complete.


Another:

http://www.britishcouncil.sg/sites/britishcouncil.sg/files/ielts_enquiry_on_results_0.pdf

Quote:
The re-mark fee is S$185 per candidate for British Council centres. You will receive a full refund if your result is changed to a higher band score


Another:

https://www.ielts.org/TestCentreLogos/TestCentreAttachments/676b151d-4da7-4edc-b03a-e3af820823ae-1.pdf

Quote:
The re-mark fee is A$176 (inclusive of GST). You will receive a full refund if your result is changed to a higher band score and you will be issued with a new
Test Report Form. Your existing Test Report Form will be returned if there is no change


http://www.britishcouncil.id/en/exam/ielts

Quote:
How to query your score

In the unusual case you believe there has been a mistake in the marking, you can apply to our Enquiry on Results Service (EOR) to have your test re-marked. This must be done within six weeks of the test date. You can choose which sections of the test are re-marked. There is a fee for this service, which will be refunded should your overall score change. Enquiry on Results can take up to ten weeks to complete.



More:

http://www.britishcouncil.in/sites/britishcouncil.in2/files/application_form_for_enquiry_on_ielts_results.pdf

http://www.britishcouncil.hk/sites/britishcouncil.hk/files/hongkong-exams-ielts-eorform.pdf

https://malaysia.ielts.britishcouncil.org/iorpsea/html/content/result.jsp

http://www.britishcouncil.cz/en/exam/ielts/courses-resources/results


All true. For legal reasons, this right of redress has to be available.

But that doesn't really contradict my original statement which upset Buravirgil so much. Test Centres do not like this being publicised. Examiners are normally instructed not to enter into conversations about it - at least in the three centres where I worked this was so. And individual test centres generally do not make this information readily available - unless there is a complaint about the results. A specific search of websites will reveal the info, but it doesn't jump out at anybody who may not know about it.

As for getting squirrely, perhaps you forgot your good manners in your haste to declare your brilliance in the language assessment 'lawn'?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IELTS is a money-making enterprise. And a source of "Soft Power" for the true believers who run it. An interesting comparison might be with Scientology and the disciples of L. Ron Hubbard.
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