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5-year resident ID card for expats starting October
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:52 pm    Post subject: 5-year resident ID card for expats starting October Reply with quote

5-year resident identity card for expatriates in October
By Mansour Al-Shehri, Okaz/Saudi Gazette | June 19, 2015
Source: http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20150619247786

RIYADH – Four new electronic services are to be introduced by the Passports Department (Jawazat), including changing the residence permit for expatriates by launching a new card under the name “resident identity card” with new features. It has also been made compulsory for those who benefit from the Jawazat services to have a mail box “Wassil” so as the department can provide the services to their homes. The service will begin at the start of the Hijri year (October).

At the beginning of Dhul Qi’dah, the Passports Department will stop all companies and establishments' officials from visiting its offices, as the services will be provided electronically and the identity cards of the workers will be delivered to the locations of the companies and establishments via the mail.

The Passports Department also said any worker who leaves the Kingdom on an exit/re-entry visa and does not return to the Kingdom during the specified period of the exit/re-entry visa would not be able to enter the Kingdom for three years. The authorities have started implementing these measures.

Col. Khaled Al-Saikhan, assistant director general of passports for technological affairs, announced in a press conference Thursday that ‘resident identity card’ is a card that would be valid for five years to prove the identity of the expatriate in a particular field. It bears the name and number of the expatriate, date of birth, occupation, nationality and work permit number (if available), religion and employer. The resident identity card will be renewed electronically annually.

Al-Saikhan said there are two changes in the resident identity card. First is the general appearance and change of the card’s name from ‘residence permit’ to ‘resident identity card’ and the second is the nonexistence of the date on which the identity card ends. This identity card will be issued for the first time after testing it out electronically on the online electronic services either on ‘Abshir’ or ‘Muqeem’. This card is meant to show the holder’s sponsor, occupation and it has no date of expiry. It can be renewed online annually through the employer.

Al-Saikhan said the reason for launching the ‘resident’s identity card’ is to provide a better service for the beneficiary without the conventional visits to the offices, updating of postal addresses, achieving the principle of e-government, curtailing consumption of materials in the printing of residence permits (iqamas), tightening control through electronic work, establishing the concept of central printing and providing a better service without visiting the Jawazat. He said the identity card would be issued as a first stage for companies and establishments on 1/1/1437H (Oct. 14, 2015).

The reason is the existence of a tight link-up with the Ministry of Labor. The date of expiry of the iqama and the status of the expatriate can be determined by inquiring through SMS services and verifying the validity of the iqama in the system using the answering system via telephone, through “Raqeeb” system, Ministry of Interior website, through “Yaqeen” system for banks and rent-a-car offices and SMS messages via the mobile telephone.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it has no date of expiry. It can be renewed online annually

er....

anyway, does this mean no more faffing around with passports each year? Sounds too good to be true.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Additionally, according to Arab News:

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The main changes are that the new card would no longer be called an iqama but Resident Identity Card. The card itself does not expire, but its validity is based on the rules and regulations of the Ministry of Interior.
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/765266
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most recent update on the muqeem (resident ID) (Aug. 18 2015):

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“The ID will not have an expiration date. However, the expiration is documented online at the department’s records. Expatriates can process their paperwork through Abshir or Muqeem portals,” said Al-Saikhan. He also said the department has launched Wasil Mailing Service on Monday to enable public directorates to mail packages to expatriates.

“By October, everyone should be registered in Wasil. The service is available online through the e-portal Muqeem. The registration account of Wasil is linked to the residence ID,” said Al-Saikhan. He added the department is working on having Muqeem portal available as a smartphone application to facilitate the services for expatriates.

“Muqeem portal is a new portal for expatriates in the Kingdom which enables them to process most of their paperwork and official procedures online. Expatriates can transfer sponsorship, issue visas, renew permits through the portal and will receive updated statistics and data of expatriates’ affairs,” said Al-Saikhan.
Source: http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20150819253872
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of unanswered questions and issues with this one:

1. I take it the new MUQEEM will not be a "card" but an A4 sheet of paper similar to what the exit/reentry visa looks like now.

What happens if you "lose" it or it's destroyed? Can you just go online and get a copy? I see all kinds of "security issues" with this practice. What if someone FINDS your "lost" muqeem....could he possibly use it? (I don't see why not.....neither the VISA nor the MUQEEM have your picture on the sheet.)

I can see all kinds of forgeries in the making.

2. If the new MUQEEM is good for 5 years, and considering that a 1 year "permit" currently costs SAR500, does that mean you'll have to fork over SAR2500 to get a new 5 year MUQEEM? What if your contract is only for 2 years...or one. What's the procedure then?

Other questions....why is the EXPIRY date NOT shown on the new "card" (sheet of paper)? Why not? What's the issue here? What are they trying to hide? Are they trying to hide something? We'll never know, I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
1. I take it the new MUQEEM will not be a "card" but an A4 sheet of paper similar to what the exit/reentry visa looks like now.

What happens if you "lose" it or it's destroyed? Can you just go online and get a copy? I see all kinds of "security issues" with this practice. What if someone FINDS your "lost" muqeem....could he possibly use it? (I don't see why not.....neither the VISA nor the MUQEEM have your picture on the sheet.)

Why do you contend the resident ID card is a piece of paper given that it's 1) referred to as a card; and 2) as a form of ID, will include the holder's photo along with their personal info, similar to its predecessor, the iqama? Additionally, the cards will be "read with special machines at checkpoints, banks and other places. It would have the photograph, name and other details of a person on it. The details of expatriates including their period of stay would be updated online" (http://www.arabnews.com/news/764291).

and hash wrote:
Other questions....why is the EXPIRY date NOT shown on the new "card" (sheet of paper)? Why not?

Scroll up and read the original article.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="nomad soul"]
Why do you contend the resident ID card is a piece of paper ...?
------>> You're right. From what they say, it'll be a CARD similar to the current Iqama. I misread......My bad.....but.......it'll be "delivered" to the recipient via the postal service??? (Quick! Anybody have some smelling salts they can share?)

and hash wrote:
Other questions....why is the EXPIRY date NOT shown on the new "card"
[b]Scroll up and read the original article
[/b].
------>> I did - doesn't answer my question. Why go thru all that rigamarole to get the expiry date? Why not just put it on the card?

ALSO: " It can be renewed online annually through the employer."
------>> It CAN be or it MUST be? (unclear).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
Doesn't answer my question. Why go thru all that rigamarole to get the expiry date? Why not just put it on the card?

It's because these new resident ID cards will have a readable magnetic strip similar to the ones on credit cards. It's a security measure. So instead of manually keying in the individual's assigned ID card number, personnel at banks, car dealerships, security checkpoints, etc., will electronically scan the card to access the holder's info (including the expiration date) from the government's e-system.

Also, since the card won't have an expiration date printed on it, it eliminates the need to have a new card requested, manufactured from scratch, and mailed out each time the current card needs renewal. This saves time, materials, and other resources --- "all that rigmarole." So unless the individual's personal/work info changes, the physical card remains the same --- only the expiration date changes (and gets updated on the system). It's analogous to taking the license plate off your old car and putting it on a new vehicle every X number of years.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The date of expiry of the iqama (sic: they mean the “muqeem”, not “iqama”) and the status of the expatriate can be determined by inquiring through SMS services and verifying the validity of the iqama (sic) in the system using the answering system via telephone, through “Raqeeb” system, Ministry of Interior website, through “Yaqeen” system for banks and rent-a-car offices and SMS messages via the mobile telephone"
-------->> To me, this is indeed a lot of "rigamarole". Why not just stamp the date on the card? (Note that they're already stumbling over their terminology).

Further:

“Col. Khaled Al-Saikhan, assistant director general of passports for technological affairs, announced in a press conference Thursday that [the]‘resident identity card’ is a card that would be valid for five years to prove the identity of the expatriate in a particular field."

To me, that means that the validity of the card is 5 years from date of issue. What’s being renewed each year is the WORK VISA (or something), but not the MUQEEM (card) itself since he just said it’s good for 5 years. Which takes us back to my question: why not just print the date of expiry of the card (5 years from date of issue) on the card itself?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
To me, that means that the validity of the card is 5 years from date of issue. What’s being renewed each year is the WORK VISA (or something), but not the MUQEEM (card) itself since he just said it’s good for 5 years. Which takes us back to my question: why not just print the date of expiry of the card (5 years from date of issue) on the card itself?


Possibly the five-year rule is subject to change. Maybe it'll be longer or shorter - the start date will never change, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'll be longer or shorter depending on which calendar they use, that's for sure Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
To me, that means that the validity of the card is 5 years from date of issue. What’s being renewed each year is the WORK VISA (or something), but not the MUQEEM (card) itself since he just said it’s good for 5 years. Which takes us back to my question: why not just print the date of expiry of the card (5 years from date of issue) on the card itself?

Since the card is valid for 5+ years rather than expiring, its lifespan has some flexibility in certain situations. Plus, those checking the card for ID purposes will access updated info online on the holder versus relying solely on what's printed on the card, which apparently was a problem with the iqama.

Considering many expats are on one or two year (not 5-year) contracts, employers need to review and renew the status of each employee on a yearly basis anyway:

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Al-Saikhan said there are two changes in the resident identity card. First is the general appearance and change of the card’s name from ‘residence permit’ to ‘resident identity card’ and the second is the nonexistence of the date on which the identity card ends. This identity card will be issued for the first time after testing it out electronically on the online electronic services either on ‘Abshir’ or ‘Muqeem’. This card is meant to show the holder’s sponsor, occupation and it has no date of expiry. It can be renewed online annually through the employer.

These changes were implemented to not only reduce fraud but also to act as an employee reporting system. Anyway, I'm sure someone will post about the card sometime in the next few months.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How will this renewal of iqamas effect current visas issued with an expiration date of ones current iqama. I asked this question on a previous forum and the answer seemed to be, "I am not sure." I know I am lost on this issue. Help!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cletus wrote:
How will this renewal of iqamas effect current visas issued with an expiration date of ones current iqama. I asked this question on a previous forum and the answer seemed to be, "I am not sure." I know I am lost on this issue. Help!

No one can answer that question; the resident ID system is completely new and replaces the iqama but doesn't go into effect until October. Ask your HR rep since your employer is the entity that deals with this process.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do as your master bids. He knows best.
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