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BajaLaJaula
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 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: IIL Jubail Navy and Kratos Defense |
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Any update on IIL? I have read the previous posts. Just wondering if anyone can report as to any improvements that have been made.
IIL is the employer on record, but Kratos is the prime contractor. Apparently, they are trying to make improvements by securing a new compound in Jubail for employees (teachers only) and by providing better shared transportation (4 teachers to a new Yukon type SUV).
The job is teaching Navy cadets at the naval base in Jubail. How are these students?
The pay is OK, comparable to other military outfits but not as good as Raytheon SALTS. I would like to hear from current employees....teachers working on Naval base employed by IIL/Kratos. |
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Gamajorba
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: IIL Jubail Navy and Kratos Defense |
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| The students are likely to be fresh out of high school (if that) bedouins who spend more time being nocturnal and making excuses for not doing anything related to English than anything, and fall asleep in class constantly. Not to mention the levels are likely to be very very low. |
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BajaLaJaula
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Low levels are OK...management that supports the teachers goes a long way towards making sure that some learning can take place.
Any word from anyone still teaching cadets for IIL and Kratos? |
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Heinessight
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Location: Anytown USA
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: King Fahad Naval Academy Conditions and Salaries |
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I too am seeking any information from teachers currently employed at the Naval Academy. I would like to know if the Kratos ILL contract has left no teachers at the Academy. As it sounds, there will be an entirely new staff going online in September. It sounds like there will be a transition to hi-tech teaching which sounds great. I taught for SALTS and Vinnell, so no need to fill me in on anything I already know.
How about salaries and family visas?
Conditions on the compound?
Classrooms?
Turnover rate and why?
Any responses would be most welcome.
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Gamajorba
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: King Fahad Naval Academy Conditions and Salaries |
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| Heinessight wrote: |
Turnover rate and why?
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Saudi Arabia.
That's why. |
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balqis
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, this answer is very true GJ, especially for women.
Strange this turn-over/retention rate figure is never, or almost never, mentioned here as crucial, though for the picture of KSA jobs, for women especially, it is the elephant in the middle of the room [if it makes sense]...
Strange how desperately well people mask the truth without any prior mutual agreement yet as if upon mutual agreement.
Difficult for me to understand why it is, yet it is.
balqis
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: King Fahad Naval Academy Conditions and Salaries |
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| Gamajorba wrote: |
| Heinessight wrote: |
Turnover rate and why?
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Saudi Arabia.
That's why. |
Extraordinary comment. Is the turnover rate low or high? Would a low turnover rate be attributable to the Magic Kingdom? |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dear balquis,
Just so I understand - are you saying that anyone who posts here that he/she spent a tolerable or (Allah forbid) even actually mostly enjoyed their time there is "masking the truth," that only posts that tell how bad/terrible a place it is are "the truth."
Regards,
John |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| balqis wrote: |
Yes, this answer is very true GJ, especially for women.
Strange this turn-over/retention rate figure is never, or almost never, mentioned here as crucial, though for the picture of KSA jobs, for women especially, it is the elephant in the middle of the room [if it makes sense]...
Strange how desperately well people mask the truth without any prior mutual agreement yet as if upon mutual agreement.
Difficult for me to understand why it is, yet it is.
balqis |
Incomprehensible. |
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balqis
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balqis
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balqis
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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But since the next poster has already started chasing me for my point with a claim that he is in charge of standards of what is and what is not comprehensible, I will write no more.
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dear balqis,
I have no problem at all with your reporting about your personal experiences.
Other women have probably had different experiences (nomad soul comes to mind).
And I agree that retention rate can often be a good indicator.
What I found odd was this: "Strange how desperately well people mask the truth without any prior mutual agreement yet as if upon mutual agreement.
Difficult for me to understand why it is, yet it is."
which, as I mentioned, seems to imply that you're experience is the only "truthful" one, that any who had different experiences and who disagree are "masking the truth."
Regards,
John |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| balqis wrote: |
I worked for a start-up of a big private university in KSA. They hired initially 15 females. I was the 13th to leave prematurely. Two weeks before I left, my HoD simply disappeared over the weekend. The bus for the female faculty was like a graveyard - every week or biweekly a new seat was empty.
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In my opinion, the female voice of KSA ESL jobs is numbed. I think it is better that it is numb and remains numb, as otherwise nobody would have control over the Box of Pandora that would pour out, once opened. Women have to suffer in silence. |
As a female who worked in KSA, I have no clue what you mean by women "suffering in silence." I didn't suffer, but then, I wouldn't have signed on to work a start-up program in KSA either, although I have in another Mid East country.
As you discovered, getting involved in a start-up operation generally entails any or all of the following: mass disorganization, lack of resources, cranky colleagues, micromanaging/clueless bosses, long workdays, employees bailing/getting terminated, angry students... (Some on this forum will say that was their experience teaching in an established program.)
Anyway, this thread is about a teaching situation specifically for males. Best to start a new discussion if you want to continue your topic. |
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Beast
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:15 am Post subject: Stay away |
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| Anytime you are involved with a contract that IIL ( International Institute of Languages) is around, stay away. They are a dismal company to work for and on a very good day they are absolutely dismal.If you work for them......You will be sorry. It doesn't matter what contract they are on you will be on the wrong side of reality. You have been warned! Pay attention. |
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Gamajorba
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| As a female who worked in KSA, I have no clue what you mean by women "suffering in silence." I didn't suffer, but then, I wouldn't have signed on to work a start-up program in KSA either, although I have in another Mid East country. |
We get it, your experience in KSA was positive. Not everyone will have that. Please drop it already. |
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