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gregsie74
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 Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:30 pm Post subject: online degree |
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Hi
couldn't find specific answers so does anyone know if
1. The university of goldsmith online English BA degree is acceptable for Saudi? I read the other thread on online degrees and got impression if the institution is prestigious (which goldsmiths is for English), that the cert will be acceptable
2. Whether I should get a Phd or BA? I was told with a PhD it's easier to get a uni position but I also read that with 3 yr experience that MA is fine too? I've also been told doing a BA would be a step backwards as I have or will have MA soon.
My reason for doing BA is because I see lots of jobs in saudi asking for it. And I feel it's something that I can do whilst part time working unlike a PhD
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scot47
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1.On the Recruitment Committee at KFUPM we tended to REJECT those with a PhD. You do not need one to teach PYP or Freshman English !
2. Online is not acceptable to the Saudi authorities. |
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spiral78
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| 2. Whether I should get a Phd or BA? I was told with a PhD it's easier to get a uni position but I also read that with 3 yr experience that MA is fine too? I've also been told doing a BA would be a step backwards as I have or will have MA soon. |
?? Are you aiming to get a second BA?
What is your MA in, and was it done online or in person? I am not sure exactly what 'have or will have MA soon' means exactly.
It's very unusual to see someone trying to make a decision between a BA and a PhD... |
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nomad soul
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Gregsie74:
A year ago, you posted the following qualifications:
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2 X BA degrees ( media and art )
CELTA certificate
4 years private teaching
2 years classroom experience
Basically im thinking of doing an MA in tesol linguistics, but i heard that MA only increases your salary by 3k a year and im not sure whether this applies to Saudi or UAE as well. |
Forget about doing another BA; it's a waste of time and money and won't impress anyone. Besides, BAs are essentially worth what a high school diploma was decades ago. Finish your TEFL-related MA and apply with that since it's what employers want to see (as long as it doesn't have any online credits). |
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gregsie74
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject: online degree |
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Hi all, thanks for the replies
@spiral
actually the BA is because the company id like to work for only accepts BA in English. Both my BAs are not English ( media and marketing). Actually im beginning to see this a lot - decent paying jobs requesting BA or Education related subject and its a bit annoying that im not able to apply for any of them because I dont have a relevant subject. MA is not online and in TESOL and Applied linguistics 'have it soon' means , assuming i pass, that i will graduate in November.
@Nomad
Yes im going to apply and see what happens, but I guess one of the reasons for my doing the BA whilst working parttime is to stay in the UK ( procrastinate?) and when i am done, then get the best possible paying job straight off the bat. No the MA doesnt have any online credits, so it should be okay.
In line with Scot's reply, I havent seen any jobs either requesting Phd, so thats why im reluctant to take it up, because 1. funding 2. finding sponsors 3.and if its as hardgoing as the MA, then i dont really fancy another 3 years of it, as im not really the research-type.
The online BA in English, however, I can do anywhere ( its distance learning) and kind of creative , so I will like it. Also I can do it while im working part time, unlike a Phd, and as mentioned earlier, all the high paying positions seems to request 'BA in English or education-related degree', which I dont have. |
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spiral78
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| Surely the MA will obviate the need for the related BA in this case? |
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gregsie74
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@spiral
No, thats what I thought it would, but
BA in English/ English Literature, seems to be the preference
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BA / MA in Applied Linguistics the secondary choice.
as I applied for the job a while back, I didnt get a reply, so Im assuming that the second choice ( MA in applied linguistics didnt count because many people have the BA in English/literature. Unless they didnt think my MA was relevant because i dont have it yet. that said, a couple companies that have shown interest in me have said 'get back to us once you have the MA' |
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nomad soul
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| gregsie74 wrote: |
BA in English/ English Literature, seems to be the preference
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BA / MA in Applied Linguistics the secondary choice.
as I applied for the job a while back, I didnt get a reply, so Im assuming that the second choice ( MA in applied linguistics didnt count because many people have the BA in English/literature. Unless they didnt think my MA was relevant because i dont have it yet. that said, a couple companies that have shown interest in me have said 'get back to us once you have the MA' |
You're overthinking this. Employers want to see the highest relevant degree. Obviously, a TEFL-related MA cancels out a BA in English/English Literature because the MA is a graduate-level qualification and is more specific to language teaching/acquisition than a BA that focuses on literature. Moreover, you don't need both degrees in order to qualify. In fact, you'd only submit the one qualifying degree for attestation/authentication.
So forget about the BA since Saudi employers will only be interested in your MA once it's completed. |
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soheeb16
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Does a DELTA count as a degree above or equal to an MA? If so, would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes?
Also, is DELTA the only option for post-CELTA education of its kind? |
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gregsie74
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:41 am Post subject: online degree |
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@Nomad
Yes, that makes sense, thanks. |
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nomad soul
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| Does a DELTA count as a degree above or equal to an MA? If so, would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes? |
The SACM authenticates academic degrees and not TEFL qualifications. The Delta is a TEFL qualification and not an academic degree. Therefore, it's not equal to or above a master's degree. |
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currentaffairs
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Does a DELTA count as a degree above or equal to an MA? If so, would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes?
Also, is DELTA the only option for post-CELTA education of its kind? |
Some of the modules that you study on a Delta course may be transferred and used towards an MA. Check with the individual universities.
Trinity has the diploma (DipTESOL) which is of equal standing to the Delta. |
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nomad soul
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Does a DELTA count as a degree above or equal to an MA? If so, would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes?
Also, is DELTA the only option for post-CELTA education of its kind? |
Some of the modules that you study on a Delta course may be transferred and used towards an MA. Check with the individual universities.
Trinity has the diploma (DipTESOL) which is of equal standing to the Delta. |
However, this isn't applicable to his situation because 1) his degree has already been conferred; and 2) it's from a US university. He's also under the assumption that a Delta can be used to qualify him for a position in lieu of an MA in ESL with online coursework, and that the SACM will authenticate a Delta as if it were a degree. |
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nomad soul
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| Would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes? |
I looked at your posts from 2 years ago, and it appears you still went ahead with an MA program that included online coursework despite being warned that it wouldn't be accepted. You'll have to use your BA to qualify for positions and your employment visa (unless it too entailed online credits). That limits you to employment via a contracting company, which isn't likely to provide the level of pay and benefits you need to cover your wife and baby. |
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
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| soheeb16 wrote: |
Does a DELTA count as a degree above or equal to an MA? If so, would the DELTA be sufficient to get passed SACM if they don't like an MA due to the number of online classes?
Also, is DELTA the only option for post-CELTA education of its kind? |
Some of the modules that you study on a Delta course may be transferred and used towards an MA. Check with the individual universities.
Trinity has the diploma (DipTESOL) which is of equal standing to the Delta. |
However, this isn't applicable to his situation because 1) his degree has already been conferred; and 2) it's from a US university. He's also under the assumption that a Delta can be used to qualify him for a position in lieu of an MA in ESL with online coursework, and that the SACM will authenticate a Delta as if it were a degree. |
If he does another MA then this will be an option. Many universities accept Delta modules so this is a simple fact and nothing 'wrong'. I also don't know if you are talking about soheeb or the OP.
Many teachers do 2-3 MA degrees as they upgrade their quals, anyway. US teachers study degrees from the UK and some Brits do degrees in Oz.
Yes, the Delta is not a substitute for a MA in terms of qualifying you for a position in Saudi.
Yes, any online components that are part of your degree will more than likely go against you if you try to work in many places in the Middle East and especially Saudi. |
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