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markustm
Joined: 15 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:51 am Post subject: Final Word |
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I have news for you Bradley, teaching ESL isn't a pathway to riches, and some people simply enjoy teaching because they can travel, and at the same time earn the money to explore, and experience the country. Indonesia still gives that option.
If you really care about a place, Why don't you return to Indonesia and start a NGO or spend time looking for solutions, rather than sift through the Internet, looking for bad news on Indonesia to post on this forum.
May I ask:
Why you never returned to Indonesia, after all these years, considering you claim you care about the country? |
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mysterytrain
Joined: 23 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Just a thought |
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One bit of advice would be that life can be tough if you are married to a local, or have children, as nothing is free in Indonesia, so it can create a situation were leaving the country is a better option unless you have a well paid job, but for a single expatriate, Indonesia still can be an interesting place to live in. |
Life can be tough when one is married and / or has children, for sure. That's true in any country. I'm not sure that it is especially true in Indonesia, though there are cultural conditions which may apply. Life can especially be tough if one has married the "wrong" person, or for the "wrong" reasons. (Fortunately I married the right person for the right reasons.)
I do hope you mean by "leaving the country is a better option" leaving the country WITH one's wife and / or children, or to provide a better living for them, as opposed to simply "leaving" them (abandoning them, and no, I'm not assuming that is what you meant, I'm just saying some clarification might be in order).
I am personally leaving the country very soon, not permanently but for a while, and being able to earn more saveable / valuable income in another country is one of the main reasons. My WNI wife is coming with me. |
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bradleycooper
Joined: 12 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Markustum, you were previously banned from several threads for homophobic rants. Are you going to try and turn the debate nasty and personal again?
As previously stated, Markustum, you keep pretending you know who I am. You keep confusing me for a different former TBI manager. Stop pretending you know who I am and where I am. There are a great number of people who have been mistreated, threatened or illegally employed by TBI, so don't presume to know who I am.
Furthermore, how do you know I am not holidaying in Indonesia as we speak? How do you know I don't work for an NGO? The truth is I am active in Amnesty International and other organisations which do charitable work in Indonesia. Are you? Or do you just sit around on the Internet abusing people who aren't ''positive'' enough about Indonesia?
Basically, you are free to tout and promote Indonesia as loudly as you want. You can say that's it a wonderful place to travel and work as often as you like. It may even help you to recruit some "lucky'' newbies to your school. But why turn every issue into a personal attack?
If the charms of Indonesia as a teaching destination after the JIS scandal and the 10 drug mule executions were so clear, you probably wouldn't need to be asserting it so loudly on here, would you? |
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princesss
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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Location: japan/indo/aust
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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It is the same story every time Brad. TBI placed an ad on Dave's yesterday and then Markustm comes on bullying everyone who has had the backbone to tell the truth about their dodgy schools.
How.many times have TBI been caught out now offering illegal jobs to people on VKU visas? People can't legally teach on these but TBI keeps running the same scam. If a school can't guarantee you a KITAS within a few weeks of arrival in Indonesia look elsewhere for a job. |
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mysterytrain
Joined: 23 Mar 2014
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bradleycooper, Princess: the title of this thread is "the plunging rupiah". I don't believe that whatever happened back in the day and / or still happens at a particular chain of language schools is particularly relevant to that topic.
Please, please, please, don't start this ruckus again here. If you want to beat that horse some more, go back to one of the several threads with "TBI" or "no KITAS, no workee legallee" in the title, or start yet another.
Personally, I am interested in the topic "the plunging rupiah". It has relevance for me. Nothing to do with TBI has such relevance for me, nor does it really interest me. Others might feel the same way. Think about it.
Markustm has not mentioned TBI once in this thread, to my knowledge. Nor has he mentioned anything about requirements for working here legally, etc. He was, I believe, discussing some issues relevant to the topic. Please do the same. If you don't want to answer his questions, just don't answer them. If you feel they are inappropriate or in breach of the forum's PG, I suggest that you report his posts to moderators. Really.
Note: I am not taking sides here. I am not at all interested in this family squabble. Period. Please discuss the topic of the thread. |
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princesss
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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Location: japan/indo/aust
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Markustm has been warned how many times not to turn this into a personal slanging match, yet he routinely claims to know who people really are and attribute sinister motives to them. All of which has what to do with the plunging rupiah? He should stick to forum rules and avoid ad hominem attacks. Then there's Mysterytrain who goes through people's posts looking for typos and plays childish games of Gotcha. "'You don't even know the difference between X and Y", time and again. Not at all constructive but he lectures others about being annoying.
As for the rupiah it appears to be a casualty of a number of factors. The possibility of the US raising interest rates in September is a big risk for Indonesia. The mere threat of raising them has given the currency the jitters in the past. The real time of vulnerability is when they do finally rise. Indonesia doesn't appear to be in good shape, but no one will know how serious the impact will be until it happens.
Basically Jokowi has turned out to be a huge disappointment and it is a real concern that Megawati is holding the reigns. He is seen as her puppet and she is seen as being too close with the police chiefs who are notoriously corrupt. I can't see things going smoothly with her calling the shots. I think the economy has much further to fall. She was a lame duck president last time. No one even voted for her but she is in charge again anyway. Can't see it ending well.
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mysterytrain
Joined: 23 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Markustm has been warned how many times not to turn this into a personal slanging match, yet he routinely claims to know who people really are and attribute sinister motives to them. All of which has what to do with the plunging rupiah? He should stick to forum rules and avoid ad hominem attacks. |
I don't see any "ad hominem attacks" from him in this thread. I can't consider a supposition that someone may be "negative towards Indonesia" as ad hominem, per se. It might be considered a touch rude, but ... anyway, bc is quite capable of answering such "charges" or not answering them, and that's up to him. I don't see any claims in this thread about "who people really are", etc. And again,
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| If you don't want to answer his questions, just don't answer them. If you feel they are inappropriate or in breach of the forum's PG, I suggest that you report his posts to moderators. Really. |
Actually, you were the only one who has directly brought up, once again, your TBI kerfuffle with Marcustm, a "fascinating" saga which apparently dates back to the late Jurassic period. I am just asking that the thread stays on topic. If you want to discuss TBI, your past histories with marcus, etc, you can do it somewhere else and if it is in a thread clearly marked as such, I will know not to open it and read it. |
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bradleycooper
Joined: 12 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Final Word |
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| markustm wrote: |
I have news for you Bradley, teaching ESL isn't a pathway to riches, and some people simply enjoy teaching because they can travel, and at the same time earn the money to explore, and experience the country. Indonesia still gives that option.
If you really care about a place, Why don't you return to Indonesia and start a NGO or spend time looking for solutions, rather than sift through the Internet, looking for bad news on Indonesia to post on this forum.
May I ask:
Why you never returned to Indonesia, after all these years, considering you claim you care about the country? |
Anyone can see that Markustm has mentioned me by name or used the personal pronoun YOU in reference to me 5 times. As usual Markustm has gone completely off topic. He claims that I have never returned to Indonesia and that I am looking for bad news about Indonesia. On what basis does he claim to know that I am not working in Indonesia? Clairvoyance? Spying?
Again, a focus on making unsupported statements and claims about other users rather than staying on topic. Yet, as usual, his buddy Mysterytrain leaps to his defense and refuses to acknowledge that it was Markustum who personalized the whole discussion with baseless claims to know who I am and what I am doing. As for Mysterytrain's claim that the problems with "a certain school" are ancient, that's not the case. They have issued letters from their legal department within the past 6 months.
I also note that Mysterytrain says he wanted to take about the rupiah and then ignored that whole issue and went straight back to acting as the unofficial moderator.
As for looking for bad news about Indoesia on the internet, anyone can Google the rupiah and you will see the currency's ''progress'' on a graph sliding down from 9,000 to 13,000 over the past 3 years. Hardly a tough job. And then there are the routine stories in the Indonesian press about schools closing and customers being defrauded. Hardly a well-guarded secret when it is on Metro TV news and in Kompas, the biggest daily paper in Indonesia! |
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p1randal
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 84
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Nobody cares about TBI, that topic has been beaten to death over and over and over.
The rupiah plunging does suck, no doubt about it. However, it doesn't realllly impact day to day life. It does slightly impact prices but again only slightly. If you like it here in Indonesia then this slight change won't be an issue. Yet, if you don't like it here than this might be the straw that broke the camel's back.
For me, as a single guy, I am not happy with it but it only really impacts me when I want to buy things back in the states (as I am now) or when I want to visit a resort that charges in USA$$..
We need to be honest though, if you make 15-30 million you are still living a good life in Indonesia. You can more than raise a family and you can travel within Indonesia quite often.
Most of the complaints end up sounding like "first world problems".. |
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mysterytrain
Joined: 23 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Final Word |
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Anyone can see that Markustm has mentioned me by name or used the personal pronoun YOU in reference to me 5 times.
Again, a focus on making unsupported statements and claims about other users rather than staying on topic. Yet, as usual, his buddy Mysterytrain leaps to his defense and refuses to acknowledge that it was Markustum who personalized the whole discussion with baseless claims to know who I am and what I am doing. As for Mysterytrain's claim that the problems with "a certain school" are ancient, that's not the case. |
Hey dude, you just mentioned me by name TWO TIMES. What's with the ad hominem attacks? How can you claim to know who my "buddies" are? Are you SPYING on me?
See how your argument kind of falls apart there, brad? That's because it is lame.
Next point: I didn't claim that whatever "problems" may exist within "a certain school" are ancient, I said that the PERSONAL ISSUE which you and P seem to have with Markustm about "something" to do with that school appear to be so. Start reading more carefully before you (mis)characterize my statements, please. I further went on to claim that I, mysterytrain, do not give one flying #@$ about that personal issue, nor, frankly, about the school in question, and that I find it extremely annoying to have to see it being discussed in practically half the threads on the Indonesia sub-forum. (hyperbole, yes, good catch)
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I also note that Mysterytrain says he wanted to take about the rupiah and then ignored that whole issue and went
straight back to acting as the unofficial moderator. |
Brad, brad. I did not say I wanted to "take about the rupiah" (sic), I said that the issue has relevance for me and I am interested in it. Once again, you falsely represent what I have said, which seems to be a habit with you (is that another "ad hominem attack" on my part?)
I'm no armchair economist, Brad, but at least I know that 9 is not half of 13.  |
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princesss
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Always with the arguments and gaslighting Mysterytrain. You mischaracterize everyone's arguments constantly and split hairs. You are what we call in Australia "a bush lawyer." This isn't a courtroom so stop grandstanding.
You say one minute you couldn't care less about a certain school and then say you are extremely annoyed it keeps getting mentioned. For someone who couldn't care less, you sure seem worked up. See, the bush lawyer games are easy to play. Anyone can split hairs and find contradictions.
I am not sure however that your annoyance is really grounds for insisting people be quiet. I find myself annoyed that you constantly play unofficial moderator, but I guess I will have to learn to deal. |
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princesss
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Nobody cares about TBI, that topic has been beaten to death over and over and over.
The rupiah plunging does suck, no doubt about it. However, it doesn't realllly impact day to day life. It does slightly impact prices but again only slightly. If you like it here in Indonesia then this slight change won't be an issue. Yet, if you don't like it here than this might be the straw that broke the camel's back.
For me, as a single guy, I am not happy with it but it only really impacts me when I want to buy things back in the states (as I am now) or when I want to visit a resort that charges in USA$$..
We need to be honest though, if you make 15-30 million you are still living a good life in Indonesia. You can more than raise a family and you can travel within Indonesia quite often.
Most of the complaints end up sounding like "first world problems".. |
I agree that Indonesia is an affordable country but it isn't the bargain it once was. Bali can be very over priced these days and I'd recommend Thailand over it. Jakarta is also pricey near the center. If you work outside Jakarta, you will certainly find costs of living lower. I think 15 million a month in a smaller city would be as good as 20 million in Jakarta.
Overall, I agree that if you earn Rp 20 to Rp 30million that will afford a very decent lifestyle. Rp 15 million might be enough outside Jakarta. Does sepend on budgeting ability too of course. In my experience it's the party animals who were always broke but that's probably true anywhere. |
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princesss
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| p1randal wrote: |
Nobody cares about TBI, that topic has been beaten to death over and over and over.
The rupiah plunging does suck, no doubt about it. However, it doesn't realllly impact day to day life. It does slightly impact prices but again only slightly. If you like it here in Indonesia then this slight change won't be an issue. Yet, if you don't like it here than this might be the straw that broke the camel's back.
For me, as a single guy, I am not happy with it but it only really impacts me when I want to buy things back in the states (as I am now) or when I want to visit a resort that charges in USA$$..
We need to be honest though, if you make 15-30 million you are still living a good life in Indonesia. You can more than raise a family and you can travel within Indonesia quite often.
Most of the complaints end up sounding like "first world problems".. |
I agree that Indonesia is an affordable country but it isn't the bargain it once was. Bali can be very over priced these days and I'd recommend Thailand over it. Jakarta is also pricey near the center. If you work outside Jakarta, you will certainly find costs of living lower. I think 15 million a month in a smaller city would be as good as 20 million in Jakarta.
Overall, I agree that if you earn Rp 20 to Rp 30million that will afford a very decent lifestyle. Rp 15 million might be enough outside Jakarta. Does depend on budgeting ability too of course. In my experience it's the party animals who were always broke but that's probably true anywhere. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Always with the arguments and gaslighting Mysterytrain. You mischaracterize everyone's arguments constantly and split hairs. You are what we call in Australia "a bush lawyer." This isn't a courtroom so stop grandstanding.
You say one minute you couldn't care less about a certain school and then say you are extremely annoyed it keeps getting mentioned. |
Referring to me by "name" (1x) ... referring to me by the personal pronoun "you", (5x!). Calling me a "bushwhacker"!
Ad hominem! Ad hominem! 
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| I am not sure however that your annoyance is really grounds for insisting people be quiet. |
Not a problem then, as I haven't done so. What I have done is asked nicely, in the first instance, if you could please talk about something relevant to the topic of the thread, or else go play in a different one.** Údah jelas, kak?
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| You say one minute you couldn't care less about a certain school and then say you are extremely annoyed it keeps getting mentioned. For someone who couldn't care less, you sure seem worked up. See, the bush lawyer games are easy to play. Anyone can split hairs and find contradictions. |
Hm, I don't find any contradiction there at all!
** Here, take your pick:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=93186
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=103656
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=102376
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=103607
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=102417
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101233
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=94170
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101911
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101792
Almost every one of the threads listed above has the letters "T ... B ... I",consecutively in that order, in its title. The one or two which don't are about KITAS / visa requirements. Knock yourself out. Not enough for you? As I said before, you're free to make yet another one. You can hang there and beat your horse bone dry.
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bradleycooper
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Calling me a "bushwhacker"! |
How dare you scandalously mischaracterize people's utterances! She called you a ''bush lawyer'' not a ''bushwhacker". Oh the sin of mischracterization! What a crime against Internet etiquette! Tsk tsk!
Not even knowing what a ''bushwhacker'' was, I checked Wikipedia (not academically rigorous enough for some, no doubt!) and this is what they told me:
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| Bushwhackers were Civil War guerillas who were generally part of irregular military forces on both sides. While bushwhackers conducted a few well-organized raids in which they burned cities, most of the attacks involved ambushes of individuals or families in rural areas. In areas affected by bushwhacking the actions were particularly insidious since it amounted to a fight of neighbor against neighbor. |
A "bush lawyer", by way of contrast, is someone who is not legally competent but who acts as if they are a lawyer. The second more idiomatic meaning is anyone who starts adjudicating and expouding on matters despite having no official standing or jurisdiction. It is a very common expression in Australia and New Zealand. |
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