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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| FrenchConnexion wrote: |
| Doesn't that happen everywhere else in the world, particularly in the West, where people pay for their education, whether brilliant or average SS? We don't call that a diploma mill. Some Muwaazi SS still fail when taking the exam. Paying does not guarantee them to get a diploma. |
Yes, we do often call it such everywhere because very commonly it is little different. Even worse than in the West, way too many students in the Gulf are just moved on and eventually graduated... with grades being unrealistic gifts. Especially if they have a bit of wasta.
Some institutions are stricter as to enforcing some sort of educational standards, but others...
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hash
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| FrenchConnexion wrote: |
....As for saying this program is like a diploma mill (someone said that above), where do you get that from? ...... why shouldn't they have the opportunity to still study, by paying? |
It's the Ministry itself that is criticizing the programs (and therefore abolishing them), not the posters on this thread. We're only commenting on the Ministry's announcement. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:11 am Post subject: |
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We are not, however, commenting on how badly English was treated in that announcement.
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| There is no law against mangling the Language of Shakespeare ! |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dear scot47,
Good thing - because if there were, lots of Saudis would face long sentences:
"Because of the factors explained above and the importance of taking into account the needs of the country and labor market, as well as the ministry's continuing efforts to develop and improve the education system in line with the sustainable development in all sectors of Saudi Arabia, the ministry has decided to suspend all parallel education programs other than the medical and engineering disciplines, as well as the bridging programs for health diplomas starting from the next academic year 1436/1437"
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Ramblin' John |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| 20 years penal servitude for that one. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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But, JohnSlat... that would be a short sentence in Arabic. Rambling yes, but at least it has a subject and verb in there.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny - the biggest problem in writing my Hispanic students have is also rambling and run-on sentences,
That Arab occupation of the Iberian peninsula has a lot to answer for.
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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76% of university seats still vacant
Arab News | 10 July 2015
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/774396
JEDDAH: The Ministry of Education has made 300,000 seats available at 28 public universities for high school graduates, but a whopping 76 percent of these seats are vacant.
According to figures posted on the ministry’s website, only 69,317 students have been enrolled in public universities for bachelor’s degrees for the next academic year, at the end of the acceptance period. Girls have left boys behind in the admissions game, with 38,092 enrolling for the degree courses out 69,317. A total of 420 female students are enrolled as associate students and 268 are enrolled in the parallel education system, while 513 male students are enrolled in the parallel education system.
The ministry said that it has made 144,436 seats available for female students at universities as per specific requirements for the bachelor’s degree, while 136,764 seats allocated for male students.
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I-forgot
Joined: 28 Jun 2015 Posts: 153 Location: Riyadh
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Oh my!
There is a (small) chance that there will enough staff at the beginning of next semester! Will wonders never cease? |
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Captain Willard
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Even when the students are duly enrolled and matriculated at a Saudi university, their seats are frequently vacant, and sometimes more than 76%.
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76% of university seats still vacant
Arab News | 10 July 2015
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/774396
JEDDAH: The Ministry of Education has made 300,000 seats available at 28 public universities for high school graduates, but a whopping 76 percent of these seats are vacant. |
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scot47

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| The use of "seat" meaning place at a university is an annoying Indianism. It is also a reflection of the idea that students do nothing but sit. Come to think of it that might be appropriate for some of them ! |
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Captain Willard
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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The students would need to be in the classroom to sit, or course. When they are in the classroom, they are very active on their mobile phones. For important calls, they may stand up and hide behind a pillar in the back of the room. Some enjoy sitting on the floor and playing cards if forced to attend class. Saudi students do much more than just sit. They can multi-task extremely well!
| scot47 wrote: |
| The use of "seat" meaning place at a university is an annoying Indianism. It is also a reflection of the idea that students do nothing but sit. Come to think of it that might be appropriate for some of them ! |
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Janiny

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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Multitasking? It's not even possible. Maybe Tolkien's elves, or even Rowling's can since they're magical beings, but ordinary human beings can't do it.
Don't believe me? Just google 'is multitasking possible'. You'll get a slew of results that say it isn't.
Why is it illegal in any reasonable country to text and drive?
I noticed years ago that despite cellphones being advertised as being able to take four calls at once while you surf the net and text and cook dinner, in reality all that has to happen is for someone to get a second call as the microwave dings and they're freaking out. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I think you might have missed Capt Willard's tongue-in-cheek...
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