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Dabagus
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 Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:21 am Post subject: Getting a Job with an Associate Degree |
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| I have a friend who is interested in getting a job in China. She is a native speaking American. She has an associate degree. Would it be possible for her to secure a job legally? |
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Non Sequitur
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There is no 'yes' 'no' response as she may trip up on work experience.
The only real test is to apply and get into conversation with employers. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| If the school is desperate, it will find a way to hire anyone. |
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spiral78
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| Yes, always recommended to work for a desperate school....(not). There are usually reasons they are desperate which relate to how they treat teachers. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| Yes, always recommended to work for a desperate school....(not). There are usually reasons they are desperate which relate to how they treat teachers. |
Absolutely correct.
But if one wants to teach in China and has something to contribute, starting on the fringes and moving to better schools may be the only way.
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spiral78
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it legally possible to move to the better schools with less than a BA? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| If one wants to teach in China and has something to contribute, starting on the fringes and moving to better schools may be the only way. |
So you're essentially stating that those without a BA have a shot at working legally at the better schools. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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There's a big difference when you can front your new school in person.
Most of the requirements (work experience, type of degree etc) are to get over the problem of hiring sight unseen.
But all the same I don't believe that without all the right papers you are condemned to the boonies.
Provincial-level vocationals have the same benefits pretty much. Also, I like the lack of pretension of vocational students sourced from the local province. |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Getting a Job with an Associate Degree |
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| Dabagus wrote: |
| I have a friend who is interested in getting a job in China. She is a native speaking American. She has an associate degree. Would it be possible for her to secure a job legally? |
She'd do best to finish her BA first. That will open a lot more doors for her in the long run. |
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Deats
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If someone can legally get a job with a shoddy school, why couldn't they legally get a job with a better school?
The reputation of the school has NOTHING to do with getting a visa.
Like others have said, if you are in country and can visit a school in person, you have more chance of landing a better job. |
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Non Sequitur
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My point is that lower status schools in less desirable locations find it harder to get staff.
This leads to a lowering of entry requirements and in turn this lets people who don't have grade A papers get their start.
Once in, you can expect to get better jobs in better locations and your certificates won't matter as much.
I taught with a hugely talented Aust guy who had a foundation ESL cert and a high school education.
The key relationship is school v PSB, Not school v fancypants BJ rulemaker. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| My point is that lower status schools in less desirable locations find it harder to get staff. This leads to a lowering of entry requirements and in turn this lets people who don't have grade A papers get their start. Once in, you can expect to get better jobs in better locations and your certificates won't matter as much. |
In this case, "better schools" means a step up from crappy; whereas, "the better schools" is often perceived as the most desirable to work for yet challenging because of their high standards and requirements. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| If one wants to teach in China and has something to contribute, starting on the fringes and moving to better schools may be the only way. |
So you're essentially stating that those without a BA have a shot at working legally at the better schools. |
I cannot actually say that RIGHT NOW one can land a job with only an associates degree, but two years ago, I know that one of the FTs at my school didn't even have a complete two-year degree. The school was actually pretty good except for the accommodations and the fact that it was out in the boonies. (The recruiter was correct: the school and the programs were first rate. She said nothing about accommodations, and the photos I was shown must have been taken in one of the Chinese teachers' homes).
He occupied my rat hole before I did and I found his resume on the computer: one year at a two-year college. (He had convinced the FAO that he had a complete degree). Mind you, he wasn't there long, but he could have had a job for life there had he behaved himself and actually worked. But no... I found out that he somehow got a job at a better-paying language center. I don't know how long he stayed there or how he managed to change schools under such conditions. I would not have believed it if the other FTs (whose credentials were doubtful as well) not told me, had I not found his resume on my computer, and had I not met the guy at a party.
I don't recommend anyone attempt to do what he did. One should be qualified as required by the Chinese government. |
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Non Sequitur
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I set my own standards and deliver the same quality to a Tier One uni or a provincial vocational.
Don't want to sound pompous but the connection for me is to the student, not the school. |
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