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asiannationmc
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 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:37 pm Post subject: Low salaries leave expat teachers bottom of class |
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-07/23/content_21384900.htm
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| Foreign educators provide many services in China, but the poor incomes they are being offered are causing instability in the national education system, as Zhao Xinying reports. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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WOW!
Teaching about Easter! |
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bograt
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Many foreign teachers care deeply about the material benefits they will gain from the schools for which they work," he said |
Whereas Chinese teachers are happy just to work for the love of teaching?
Why doesn't he just say 'foreign teachers have got different standards about what constitutes a decent salary' . |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Why doesn't he just say 'foreign teachers have got different standards about what constitutes a decent salary' .
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Why not ask him?
[email protected] |
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bograt
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| asiannationmc wrote: |
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Why doesn't he just say 'foreign teachers have got different standards about what constitutes a decent salary' .
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Why not ask him?
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It was rhetorical |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Wow. We have an advocate.
Or maybe someone got a bright idea for a way to increase newspaper circulation. |
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talentedcrayon
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This was a really good article. Everything he talks about is what I complained about after my school wouldn't negotiate a higher salary in my second year.
My university had a salary of 7400 for 20 hours. For my second year I asked for:
- a raise to 8400
- a reduction in my hours to 16/week
- paid summer vacation
I was expecting the school to negotiate with me. But, my walk away point was pretty close to what I had offered them.
Instead, my boss told me that the university president rejected everything I asked for. He was upset because last year they had a teacher who worked for 5000. He had stayed with the university for 4 years on that salary. So, according to him, I was already overpaid. My boss tried to convince me that I was being unreasonable. |
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thunder_god
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| talentedcrayon wrote: |
This was a really good article. Everything he talks about is what I complained about after my school wouldn't negotiate a higher salary in my second year.
My university had a salary of 7400 for 20 hours. For my second year I asked for:
- a raise to 8400
- a reduction in my hours to 16/week
- paid summer vacation
I was expecting the school to negotiate with me. But, my walk away point was pretty close to what I had offered them.
Instead, my boss told me that the university president rejected everything I asked for. He was upset because last year they had a teacher who worked for 5000. He had stayed with the university for 4 years on that salary. So, according to him, I was already overpaid. My boss tried to convince me that I was being unreasonable. |
Hey man, I would have walked too. Just because the other guy is a tool for working for peanuts doesn't mean everyone else should. |
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talentedcrayon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| thunder_god wrote: |
Hey man, I would have walked too. Just because the other guy is a tool for working for peanuts doesn't mean everyone else should. |
I ended up getting a job at another university with much better compensation than what I asked for. So, I know I wasn't being unreasonable. I was actually just asking my boss to match what I was seeing in my inbox every week.
But, my boss told me she phoned several other universities in the city and they all paid only 6000-6500 for 20 hours per week. So, as far as she was concerned I was getting a good deal at 7400.
But comparing schools in the same city... where many of the schools set the salary together... isn't going to give you a good benchmark for what amounts to a competitive salary.
I was comparing the salary to the whole of China, Korea and Japan and even back home in Canada.
My school was able to find a new teacher though. Since it is true that most universities pay 5000-6500, having a salary of 7400 is going to stand out to applicants.
However, to my knowledge my boss only received 3 applications in a 3 month period.
1 was rejected outright after I read his resume and told my boss that the man clearly had no idea how to use Microsoft Word. His resume was just a name at the top of the page and then bullet points which listed all his experience and education in chronological form going back to when he was 18... He never held a job for more than 8 months in his life and his experience was all over the place... 3 months as a dishwasher... 4 months as a debt collections specialist... 2 months as a receptionist at a hair salon... 7 months as a kindergarten teacher in China... 8 months as a waiter in a restaurant... 9 months teaching in Japan... 4 months at a movie theatre... This went on for 25 years of work history.
I interviewed the next one but I felt he had some kind of ulterior motive for working in China (based on his answers to my questions)... His sudden career change into ESL after years of doing something else was also a major red flag because he didn't have a reasonable explanation as to why. He had just completed a masters degree in his field and then he takes off to China for some reason? But, most importantly, he clearly didn't care about teaching, or know anything about teaching. He was in China for something else.
Finally, the third my boss just hired because I think she realized no one better was going to come along.
So, even at 7400, universities don't get many applicants, and two of the three were not even worth considering. |
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jimpellow
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"I interviewed the next one but I felt he had some kind of bizarre ulterior motive for working in China (based on his answers to my questions I believe alcohol or sex)..."
Bizarre? I think you should have recommended him for his refreshing honesty. |
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talentedcrayon
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