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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Dear deadlift,
Could I by any chance interest you in a 'gig' shilling for Celta? 
With Communist greetings
Sasha |
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esl_prof
Joined: 30 Nov 2013
Posts: 2006
Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi all, thought I'd come out of retirement to put in my 2c. I did 5 years in Vietnam, all in HCMC. However, I have a CELTA, which I'm sure will invalidate my opinion in Vietcanada's eyes . . . I can say this because I short-listed and interviewed applicants. I saw hundreds of resumes from inside and outside Vietnam. They fell into roughly four categories: |
Thanks for sharing, deadlift! This was a very informative and helpful overview of the teaching situation in Vietnam. Hopefully, it will be of use to prospective teachers who are headed that way.
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| So, chalk me up in the "Vietcanada is deluded" column. |
Part of the problem, which we've pieced together from her various rants, is that VC isn't actually teaching English in Vietnam but math. Totally legitimate. But hardly the same thing as teaching English. And, of course, way beyond the scope of this or any other threads on this forum that deal specifically with English teaching credentials. |
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
Posts: 946
Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| esl_prof wrote: |
Thanks for sharing, deadlift! This was a very informative and helpful overview of the teaching situation in Vietnam. Hopefully, it will be of use to prospective teachers who are headed that way. |
Seconded. Good to see you back, deadlift  .
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| We have provided first-hand information about the value of real teacher training. Other posters who have worked in Vietnam have agreed totally with this view. |
Name one. |
VietCanada, do you even read the responses that you get? If so, then, sad as it is to say, you appear to have the memory of a goldfish  . When it comes to this tiresome topic, I can "name" you several posters with Vietnamese experience who have disagreed with you and sided with the 'Sashadroogie & Company' position: kurtz, ExpatLuke, myself and, now, deadlift. I think I'm With Stupid and/or skarper may have as well, but, speaking for myself [and as already stated], I can't be bothered reading through the multiple, recent threads to check  . |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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It's unanimous (I'm with Stupid and skarper also disagreed with VC).
VietCanada's playing a slow game of whack-a-mole with us. She shows up, blitzes the threads with her nonsense, and then disappears for a few days to avoid the blow-back. Then shows up and runs the whole exercise again without reading anything.
All of deadlift's post is useful, but this bears repeating for sure, especially since we've turned a page:
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3. Backpackers
Could have a CELTA , could be working at the likes of ILA. But clearly didn't give a rats-arse and cared about teaching only so far as it could fund whatever vices they had.
4. Burn outs and Bui Vien bums
Crappy no-name cert, or none at all, and a patchwork of gigs at mid-tier and below schools. Mostly kids, very little adult teaching. No sense of progression at all on the resume and they often tried to dress up their crappy jobs as "freelancing". Great at talking about songs and fun activities but no grasp of basic pedagogy at all.
We hired category 1s and 2s obviously. Sometimes we screwed up and got a 3 or a 4 who managed to fool us by interviewing well.
Also, it has to be said that the idea that the CELTA is only useful for teachers of adults is absurd. Basic grammar and phonology, basic needs analysis, classroom management and lesson planning, some basic drilling techniques and substitution tables. Absolutely 100% applicable and useful even in a kindergarten teaching ABCs. Most CELTA practice lessons are intermediate level or below, putting you in the region of a reasonably good kids class.
So, chalk me up in the "Vietcanada is deluded" column |
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esl_prof
Joined: 30 Nov 2013
Posts: 2006
Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| And don't forget Rusty Shackleford. Though, since VC's apparently not reading our responses anyway, I don't know why I'm even bothering to add to the list. |
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esl_prof
Joined: 30 Nov 2013
Posts: 2006
Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| VietCanada's playing a slow game of whack-a-mole with us. She shows up, blitzes the threads with her nonsense, and then disappears for a few days to avoid the blow-back. Then shows up and runs the whole exercise again without reading anything. |
More like pin-the-tail on the live donkey . . .  |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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What's there to read?
Some guy and his buddies who have never worked in Vietnam, who have no clue whatsoever how to even get a job in Vietnam, even less of a clue of what it's like in a classroom in Vietnam. You know, like what skills the schools require or value and that sort of stuff.
Not to mention the obtuseness on display with confronted with obvious facts like legal requirements to work here, the availability of TEFL certs in country, with a an observed classroom component. Teaching children no less.
But then the fact that VN and most of SE Asia is about teaching children is not a topic that any of you will address is it? In fact none of you address any of the facts that I, someone who actually teaches in Vietnam right now has presented in virtually every thread that you accuse me of ignoring you.
How stupid do you think readers are?
I read your posts and laugh heartily about the soccer players insisting on telling the tennis player how to do his job.
But you go girls! I'm sure anyone with an IQ below 70 is just fascinated with this debate. Below 60 and they might actually think that people with no experience whatsoever in Vietnam would know more than someone with 6 years here so far.
Yeah. That's real. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| All this reference to IQs, and yet... |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| All this reference to IQs, and yet... |
...you still don't get it.
You know nothing about working, living, getting a job, skills required, in Vietnam.
You sit there at your computer with your email open waiting for that notification from Dave's that there is a response from me in the threads you've posted your trash in.
You complain that I don't do that.
Well I have a job, a life, a wife, friends, I don't live here. I pop in from time to time as I have for the 15 years that I've been a member in good standing on this board to do what I always have. Give people advice based on my experience working in Vietnam or prior to that Korea and even Japan.
I don't go to the Russian board board with my buds and tell everyone that you need to speak Azerbajan in order to qualify for a job in Russia.
So what is your freaking problem you OCD nutjob? |
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Sashadroogie
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