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1st Sgt Welsh
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| I think we have a similar amount of experience, but I'm pretty sure the similarities stop there. |
There's a huge difference between a teacher who has ten years of experience and a teacher who has one year of experience ten times. |
Well said  . |
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Sashadroogie
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Yes, very true.
The main difference is, it seems to me, an inability or refusal to learn from previous mistakes, and pigheaded insistence on repeating those same errors year in year out. |
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esl_prof
Joined: 30 Nov 2013
Posts: 2006
Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, very true.
The main difference is, it seems to me, an inability or refusal to learn from previous mistakes, and pigheaded insistence on repeating those same errors year in year out. |
A problem that, more typically, plagues politicians rather than teachers. But, alas, one to which some teachers are not immune. |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Desperate, hasty ad hominem attacks are always preferable to actually reading the post you are responding to eh?
I clearly stated that the school I worked at was an exception, I clearly stated that I worked part time to fill out some free time on my schedule.
But don't let reality get in the way guys.
You are just too cool and smart for that eh! LOL |
LOL is for teens, isn't it?
The only thing you clearly state is the poor state of your teaching career; if one could actually call it a career in your case. AMA, come come. A pity you haven't joined the party of full-time work with one employer who pays a good wage and provides on a stable platform to live your life; good pay, paid holidays and career advancement. |
You really are reaching. Is that all an chemistry degree is good for these days? Pathetic.
You can't even read with comprehension. Enjoy your fantasy narrative. |
You've tried to undermine my ten years of EFL teaching by attacking my academic background on several occasions now. Oddly, I haven't just stood at the front of the class with a marker pen writing chemical equations on the board for two hours at a time.......
You've stated that you need to "fill gaps" in your schedule, and that you have a cluster bomb type approach to getting new work. Clearly, something is amiss.
I think we have a similar amount of experience, but I'm pretty sure the similarities stop there. I have one job which is from Monday- Friday. You appear to have a patchwork of crappy low-paid jobs that I'm quite sure any muppet straight off the boat could do.
If you require any career advice, don't hesitate to contact me. For a fee of course.
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Ten years experience and you still haven't a clue how things work in HCMC.
I'll fill you in for free!
Some of us aren't interested in working 9 to 5 with all the admin work. We'd rather choose our own hours and get paid for each and every hour we work.
I'm at a loss how you could work here for ten years and not meet people who've expressed this opinion.
OTOH you may think that your choices are inherently superior to others just because they are your choices. That would explain why you'd defend this group that have never worked in VN.
QED
Now go make a volcano on your kitchen table. |
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Sashadroogie
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QED?
Why, you have proved nothing! I would have thought that you as a maths teacher would have known better than to bandy this initialism about randomly... |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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QED?
Why, you have proved nothing! I would have thought that you as a maths teacher would have known better than to bandy this initialism about randomly... |
I would know better than someone who doesn't have a Math degree. But you don't believe in that kinda reality eh? Like coming to a board of a country that you have never worked in before and arguing with those who have, that you know better than they do about what kind of training is useful to get your first job here.
Yeah I know, rules only apply to the lower castes and that ain't you is it brother?
Anyways, for people reading this nonsense- here is a link to an adult conversation about TEFL certification for SE Asia. It's in the newbie forum of course.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111728 |
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Sashadroogie
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| Then why are you using this phrase? Nothing has been proved by you. So I challenge the notion that you know better than me how to use this phrase. According to your own logic, I should know better than you how to speak and read and write the language, having a linguistics degree. And knowing what QED stands for... |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Then why are you using this phrase? Nothing has been proved by you. So I challenge the notion that you know better than me how to use this phrase. According to your own logic, I should know better than you how to speak and read and write the language, having a linguistics degree. And knowing what QED stands for... |
You also know what 'teaching EFL in VN' stands for yet you have no practical experience whatsover in what it actually means.
You just can't or refuse to understand that notion don't you?
Do you go to engineering boards and give advice obnoxiously because you know what the word 'engineer' means or you have an opinion about what their job is? That is no different than coming to this board and thinking you know anything whatsoever about teaching in VN.
You know nothing about it. Yet you insist on pushing your absolutely, patently, demonstrably, worthless opinion.
Give your head a shake man!
you have never taught a single class here!
You know nothing Mr. Schultz!
Zero.
Nada.
Zip.
Nothing!!!!!!!!!! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Few other posters here value your opinion. Many of them do not even think you know anything about teaching. But you are of course welcome to post. Even on other boards. |
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Sashadroogie
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Few other posters here value your opinion. Many of them do not even think you know anything about teaching. But you are of course welcome to post. Even on other boards. |
That is a lie. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| "Prove me wrong." |
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spiral78
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Like coming to a board of a country that you have never worked in before and arguing with those who have, that you know better than they do about what kind of training is useful to get your first job here |
The posters here who have and do work in Vietnam disagree with you too, VietCanada 
And having only a cheap online cert does not qualify you to comment intelligently on the value of other types of certification. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Like coming to a board of a country that you have never worked in before and arguing with those who have, that you know better than they do about what kind of training is useful to get your first job here |
The posters here who have and do work in Vietnam disagree with you too, VietCanada
And having only a cheap online cert does not qualify you to comment intelligently on the value of other types of certification. |
Name one poster. Here are two who disagree with you.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101982
If you understand why Barney and Sesame Street work then you understand why a CELTA doesn't work (beyond doing lesson planning) in a YL setting.
If you don't then stick to big kids or adults.
A 3 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 6 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 12 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 24 year old.
Beyond that, at young to very young ages they are not learning "EFL/ESL" they are simply "learning language" through natural acquisition (their linguistic skills are not well developed in any language yet).
Grammar is the old lady who lives across town (ie: your mother's mother).
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101982
i have a celta and have taught kids.
aside from lesson planning and getting comfortable with games, the celta doesn't help a lot withkids.
I don't think an honours degree in pure mathematics from one of the largest Universities in Canada is a cheap degree.
If you can't understand how that would qualify me to teach English to learners with a secondary education or less then that speaks more about the cheapness of your education than mine.
If someone with a tertiary education is not capable of understanding the English required and afterwards how to teach English required at a pre-uni level then this job isn't for them.
Clearly you CELTA grads don't understand this commonly known precept.
You certainly have no clue about teaching children.
Even less of one about teaching in VN.
Less still about shooting your mouths off about something you know nothing about. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think an honours degree in pure mathematics from one of the largest Universities in Canada is a cheap degree.
If you can't understand how that would qualify me to teach English to learners with a secondary education or less then that speaks more about the cheapness of your education than mine. |
No. A degree in maths does not qualify you (or anyone else) to teach English.
I think you're on the wrong board, and your posting history here backs up that notion. |
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