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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:04 am    Post subject: Starting out in Japan at 40 Reply with quote

Hello Guys and Dolls,

I am a newbie and considering a move to Japan.

I have tons of teaching experience in various countries but I am guessing that not much of that will be of use in Japan, from what I've read on here.

I get the impression the Japanese like young spritely teachers - is there hope for me still?
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear. I just read this ...

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111428
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rtm



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting out in Japan at 40 Reply with quote

TransientTefler wrote:
I am a newbie and considering a move to Japan.

Whether Japan is a good place for you to go or not really depends on what your goals are.
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marley'sghost



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry too much about being a crusty old, 40 something. I'm in my 40s and I get by. Some places want a bouncy, bubbly, happy thing to edu-tain the munchkins. Some places want someone more serious and professional. That being said, Japan is not the go-to location for the real, mercenary EFLers. The yen is in the toilet, salaries are down, competition is up. If you are looking to make real money, or have a family or other obligations besides scratching your travel bug, might want to look else where. But if you are just looking to "do Japan" for a couple of years, don't let the doom-sayers get you down.
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Starting out in Japan at 40 Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
TransientTefler wrote:
I am a newbie and considering a move to Japan.

Whether Japan is a good place for you to go or not really depends on what your goals are.


I need to settle down and Japan offers a high standard of living ... and I need to find me a wife.
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marley'sghost wrote:
Don't worry too much about being a crusty old, 40 something. I'm in my 40s and I get by. Some places want a bouncy, bubbly, happy thing to edu-tain the munchkins. Some places want someone more serious and professional. That being said, Japan is not the go-to location for the real, mercenary EFLers. The yen is in the toilet, salaries are down, competition is up. If you are looking to make real money, or have a family or other obligations besides scratching your travel bug, might want to look else where. But if you are just looking to "do Japan" for a couple of years, don't let the doom-sayers get you down.


Sounds pretty bad ...

I suppose university jobs (even part-time) are hard to come by/ impossible after 40?
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marley'sghost wrote:
Don't worry too much about being a crusty old, 40 something. I'm in my 40s and I get by. Some places want a bouncy, bubbly, happy thing to edu-tain the munchkins. Some places want someone more serious and professional. That being said, Japan is not the go-to location for the real, mercenary EFLers. The yen is in the toilet, salaries are down, competition is up. If you are looking to make real money, or have a family or other obligations besides scratching your travel bug, might want to look else where. But if you are just looking to "do Japan" for a couple of years, don't let the doom-sayers get you down.


I agree. I am often negative on Japan, and having a job here. That said, it is not all terrible. Things could easily be much better, they just for the most part, not.
I have met many a EFLer who did their year or three here and loved it. I think it is still good for that. For settling down, I would not consider it if I weren't married with kids, aka starting out new.
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to turn up in Tokyo in September dressed in a suit, search for/ find a job and then sort the work visa out from that end?
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aviator1x1



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:04 pm    Post subject: Starting in Japan after 40: My Experience Reply with quote

Hello Everyone,

Here is my comment on starting at a late age in Japan. I will share my experience.

I received my MA in TESOL when I was 42. Prior to receiving my MA, I had no ESL or EFL teaching experience. I was about to get laid off from my career job and decided to switch, so I decided on TESOL.

After two years of gaining experience at local city colleges and language schools in the U.S.., I started applying to various jobs overseas. Some called but most didn't. One university in Japan did call however, and I went through the whole process and received a full time contracted offer with benefits. This happened at the age of 44. I think this would be the equivalent of winning the lottery for someone like me.

In short, it is not impossible to obtain a good offer in Japan at an older age. Even some private language schools in their job advertisements are looking for people with business and vocational experience. If you are coming from an non-EFL/ESL teaching background, you have to emphasize on your experience as a corporate worker, tradesman, or businessman.

I would also like to make one final point. For those starting at an older age in Japan, most of your colleagues will be at least ten years younger than you. In my department, most are in their late 20s to early 30s, and they have several years of experience in addition to their MAs. There are only three of us that are in our 40s.

Please do not get discouraged with your age and do your best to sell yourself.
Good luck!
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting in Japan after 40: My Experience Reply with quote

aviator1x1 wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Here is my comment on starting at a late age in Japan. I will share my experience.

I received my MA in TESOL when I was 42. Prior to receiving my MA, I had no ESL or EFL teaching experience. I was about to get laid off from my career job and decided to switch, so I decided on TESOL.

After two years of gaining experience at local city colleges and language schools in the U.S.., I started applying to various jobs overseas. Some called but most didn't. One university in Japan did call however, and I went through the whole process and received a full time contracted offer with benefits. This happened at the age of 44. I think this would be the equivalent of winning the lottery for someone like me.

In short, it is not impossible to obtain a good offer in Japan at an older age. Even some private language schools in their job advertisements are looking for people with business and vocational experience. If you are coming from an non-EFL/ESL teaching background, you have to emphasize on your experience as a corporate worker, tradesman, or businessman.

I would also like to make one final point. For those starting at an older age in Japan, most of your colleagues will be at least ten years younger than you. In my department, most are in their late 20s to early 30s, and they have several years of experience in addition to their MAs. There are only three of us that are in our 40s.

Please do not get discouraged with your age and do your best to sell yourself.
Good luck!


Thanks.

How long do you think you can work in that job before you are deemed too old by the Japanese?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TransientTefler wrote:
I am a newbie and considering a move to Japan.

I have tons of teaching experience in various countries but I am guessing that not much of that will be of use in Japan, from what I've read on here.
....
I need to settle down and Japan offers a high standard of living ... and I need to find me a wife.

What specifically can you offer employers in terms of your education (degree type and major), background, and TEFL experience?
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
TransientTefler wrote:
I am a newbie and considering a move to Japan.

I have tons of teaching experience in various countries but I am guessing that not much of that will be of use in Japan, from what I've read on here.
....
I need to settle down and Japan offers a high standard of living ... and I need to find me a wife.

What specifically can you offer employers in terms of your education (degree type and major), background, and TEFL experience?


I've just got a BA in Modern Languages with Business and CELTA.

I have taught General English, Business English, IELTS and EAP. I have worked in universities in the UK teaching on preparatory courses - academic skills, essay writing, presentation skills, etc.

I am quite good at teaching and am competent, by now.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without an MA or higher qualification, university teaching is not available to you. You would start at the bottom - ALT or eikaiwa work.

I recommend the JET Program, too, as the age limit has been relaxed. You'd likely be a good candidate with your experience and maturity.
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
Without an MA or higher qualification, university teaching is not available to you. You would start at the bottom - ALT or eikaiwa work.

I recommend the JET Program, too, as the age limit has been relaxed. You'd likely be a good candidate with your experience and maturity.


JET only pays 3,300,000 per year and they can put you anywhere in Japan. Is 275,000 yen/ month that great?

Perhaps working two jobs in Tokyo would be better??(provided I could find two)
What about private students preparing for overseas study?
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TransientTefler



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
ALT or eikaiwa work


Business English?

... and if I bothered to get a Masters?? University work somewhere in Tokyo a possibility??
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