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rtm
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| nightsintodreams wrote: |
| RTM It's not about maths. C'mon, you've been in Japan long enough to know that a 40 hour work week is rarely only 40 hours. |
Oh, I know that. I was just talking about the ad itself, which I would take to indicate that they are advertising a 5-day/week job. Whether they actually stick to that is something entirely different. |
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Rooster.
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bigjoe wrote: |
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| I'm not rich, and I'm not that desperate. But it's the first time I've seen a monthly salary that low. |
I've seen one as low as 150,000 yen per month. |
Was the job out in the sticks? |
I don't remember, but anywhere it is too low. Yes, you could make it work, but that would be very difficult. No housing was provided either. |
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nightsintodreams
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Current affairs, I really don't understand the hate I'm getting from you for this.
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Y250,000 - Y270,000 monthly depending on qualifications (based on a six day working week (avg 28 teaching hrs/wk))
8 Weeks of School Holidays per year |
Look at their old listing. It also lists 28 hours but states that its a six day working week.
The truth is, we can't tell from simply reading this new advert how many days you'll be working at his company, but I'm inclined to believe it's six because the old advert for the same position states as much. |
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mitsui
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Indeed. It sure could be six days a week, with the teacher having to drive around.
With commuting time, only someone already living in southern Ibaraki would take such a job. |
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weigookin74
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| RM1983 wrote: |
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The Filipino teachers will be all over this job.
This is another middle man recruiting agency that dispatches teachers to junior high schools. Their cut is huge, I assume. 50% - 70%, maybe?
185,000円 a month for a 5 or 6 day work week. WOW! Japan EFL continues to reach new lows. |
This is something of a concern. Ive met some obviously very good teachers from the Phillipines, but it wouldnt surprise me if they are being used to cut the wage bills. I hope this isnt the case |
Parents in Japan wouldn't demand a whitey over a Filipino for their child? That would still allow for you to make more That's the way it was when I was in Korea. Lot's of mothers wanted their kids to meet a white teacher, hence the higher wage. Only when they couldn't get a whitey in a rural area would they settle for a Filipino.
But 185,000 for a job and you still have to pay for your housing? Maybe 200,000 with free housing would be an option. Either way, get the eff out of dodge. China's hiring. No way an EFL teacher has to take that crap. Only reason to be in Japan is to experience the culture for a year once you've paid off your debts in Korea or where ever. But, it's basically a break even thing where you won't leave Japan any richer or making any more money.
Shame Japan hasn't gotten their act together. But to each their own. |
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Nemu_Yoake
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand you. You want to be teachers in Japan and all you do is talking about money, money and money. Of course, having a great salary like 25 man would be wonderful for a newbie, but do you know how much Japanese teachers make at a private school? For beginners, it's about 18 man in my prefecture (Iwate). And you have to pay taxes, and your housing etc.
It's higher in some other prefectures (or so I heard) but it's not so much in rural prefectures.
Sure, salaries are getting lower and lower, that's a fact. But new Japanese teachers have a low salary too, even when they work at a public school. It's about 20-22 man in rural prefectures, depending on the type of teaching license they own (basic license or specialized license, ES, JHS or HS license).
For experienced ALTs, well, it's up to you to negotiate to get paid what you're worth. |
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RM1983
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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True but we have to uproot and go through the travais of living abroad and dealing with the mess of the those Japanese teachers.
They cant attract lots of professionals because they dont pay a professional wage or offer professional conditions. And then whats the number one complaint about us? |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Japanese teachers are also perm employees so they can start with less. The stability and raises makes up for the low starting wages. While we never get any meaningful raises |
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Nemu_Yoake
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I somewhat agree with you, but why would "assistants" have the same treatment as "teachers"? Some of us just have to stand beside the teacher and help him; we are not in charge of the class. And, even when we are, the teacher has to be here because it would be illegal otherwise (mumenkyo teachers can't teach alone). |
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rtm
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| Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
but do you know how much Japanese teachers make at a private school? For beginners, it's about 18 man in my prefecture (Iwate). And you have to pay taxes, and your housing etc.
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But new Japanese teachers have a low salary too, even when they work at a public school. It's about 20-22 man in rural prefectures, depending on the type of teaching license they own (basic license or specialized license, ES, JHS or HS license). |
Many young Japanese people also live with their parents, where they usually don't have to pay for rent or meals. They also get bonuses, which most ALTs don't. I'm not saying that they get paid a lot -- just saying that it's hard to compare ALTs and JTEs, and it's not as simple as comparing monthly take-home salary. |
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Nemu_Yoake
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| Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| rtm wrote: |
| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
but do you know how much Japanese teachers make at a private school? For beginners, it's about 18 man in my prefecture (Iwate). And you have to pay taxes, and your housing etc.
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But new Japanese teachers have a low salary too, even when they work at a public school. It's about 20-22 man in rural prefectures, depending on the type of teaching license they own (basic license or specialized license, ES, JHS or HS license). |
Many young Japanese people also live with their parents, where they usually don't have to pay for rent or meals. They also get bonuses, which most ALTs don't. I'm not saying that they get paid a lot -- just saying that it's hard to compare ALTs and JTEs, and it's not as simple as comparing monthly take-home salary. |
In Tokyo and Osaka, maybe, but in rural prefectures, they have to go far from their home and have to move every 3 years or so (tenkin) from school to school (when they're young. It's every 5/7 years when they get older, but it's different from one pref to another bc it's up to the BoE). People who get married (especially with an other teacher) and have children are more likely to stay at the same school for 10 or 15 years. I agree with you otherwise. |
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RM1983
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
| I somewhat agree with you, but why would "assistants" have the same treatment as "teachers"? Some of us just have to stand beside the teacher and help him; we are not in charge of the class. And, even when we are, the teacher has to be here because it would be illegal otherwise (mumenkyo teachers can't teach alone). |
Yeah the Japanese teachers have to do a lot more. It makes no difference really, the salary already mostly attracts almost entirely unqualified people to work as ALTs. I quite often hear of this as a complaint from people; when between the salary, lack of professionalism on the ground here and the clueless approach to professional development that seems to be the norm, no qualified teacher from the west would go anywhere near an ALT job.
They might as well just do away with the scheme altogether, or else recruit teachers from places like the Phillipines who will not think its such a raw deal (although they tend to see it's a joke quickly enough as well) |
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mitsui
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| Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Indeed. All of my co-workers just have a BA and they seem to live for their weekends.
No way will I sign a new contract.
Once you have a MA and certification in your own country, you real don't want to have to defer to clueless Japanese teachers. |
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