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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just make sure that bank is in your home country. I knew teachers in Shiraz, Iran in '79 who had taught there for many years and had foolishly kept their savings in Iranian banks.
When the Islamic Revolution took place, they were wiped out.
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hired Help should not expect to be consulted about policy. |
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2buckets
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East
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Johnslat:
Same thing happened in Esfahan.
It happened so quickly, and then the banks were all closed and razed to the ground. |
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RedLightning
Joined: 08 Aug 2015 Posts: 137 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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To those who have worked here-
Another post mentioned that the school cannot offer an Iqama, how then do employees go about sending money back home? |
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Lord T
Joined: 07 Jul 2015 Posts: 285
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would advise new ESL instructors to ask GIZ to transfer part of their salaries directly to their home country bank accounts and pay them the rest in cash.
It's the least that they could do for you, given that they put you in a difficult situation in the first place. |
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:04 am Post subject: |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Another post mentioned that the school cannot offer an Iqama, how then do employees go about sending money back home? |
| Lord T wrote: |
I would advise new ESL instructors to ask GIZ to transfer part of their salaries directly to their home country bank accounts and pay them the rest in cash.
It's the least that they could do for you, given that they put you in a difficult situation in the first place. |
Frankly, teachers, and not the sponsors, put themselves in this situation by both agreeing to work via a business/work visit visa and applying for this visa type. |
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TeacherDude95
Joined: 10 Jul 2015 Posts: 19
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: Technical Trainers College |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
Frankly, teachers, and not the sponsors, put themselves in this situation by both agreeing to work via a business/work visit visa and applying for this visa type. |
It's a bit unfair to blame the teachers who are often sold a big fat lie to get them there. Even those who aren't have a family and mouths to feed so often have no other choice but to take the job.
For me, these types of managers in Saudi are to blame and only care about the bottom line. And that is how much money they can send back as revenue to their Mother country. They don't care about the mess they cause or leave behind when Mohammed Farzan and his government department realise it's all a load of baloney. (Made up name by the way!)
They spin the speel to the Saudis that they will ahve all the students/cadets speaking the equivalent of Shakeseare's English in 3 weeks and the Saudis who know no better buy into it.
This goes on ad infinitum in Saudi and will do till the oil money runs dry. I think we've a few more years before that happens gven how little oil is being used these dys.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes and no... the teachers don't cause the problem. But the fault of finding themselves in the situation is mostly their own. IMHO
If they have done the proper research that is easily available here and elsewhere on the net with a simple google, and still take a job under these circumstances, they have to take responsibility for their choice. We are talking about adults... educated adults... who make a choice and then have to live with it.
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TeacherDude95
Joined: 10 Jul 2015 Posts: 19
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:32 pm Post subject: Teachers v managers? who is really to blame? |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Yes and no... the teachers don't cause the problem. But the fault of finding themselves in the situation is mostly their own. IMHO
If they have done the proper research that is easily available here and elsewhere on the net with a simple google, and still take a job under these circumstances, they have to take responsibility for their choice. We are talking about adults... educated adults... who make a choice and then have to live with it.
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Sure there is enough blame to go around but as a teacher, I know how easily many teachers are duped and only find out their job specs and working conditions when they arrive and by that point it's often too late to turn back.
You've invested money in a flight, paid for an expensive medical out of your own pocket, had certificates translated and notarized and realize you are past a point of no return.
It's all very well to say you should just walk away but what if you have debts to pay and a family waiting in your home country for housekeeping money or worse a monthly mortgage that has to be paid? Sometimes walking away just isn't an option. |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly in the past I have been in that position where I HAD to take a job in KSA and could not ask too many questions. I was lucky. I got a job in 1990 with a reasonable, if somewhat avaricious, employer. He did offer an Iqama, and provided ticket and medical tests in London. At that time the practice of luring the unsuspected to KSA with a Business Visa was not common.
My other jobs there were direct hire with legit government organisations or parastatals. |
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Lord T
Joined: 07 Jul 2015 Posts: 285
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Their latest job ad offers about 66% of what they offered in the past.
I suspect they are offering a daily rate with no iqama, no holiday pay, and no health care.
Is this illegal? |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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If it is against the law, what is your legal remedy ?
You have none. Choose your master with care. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| RedLightning wrote: |
To those who have worked here-
Another post mentioned that the school cannot offer an Iqama, how then do employees go about sending money back home? |
Western Union with a higher fee than banks. |
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TeacherDude95
Joined: 10 Jul 2015 Posts: 19
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject: Technical Trainers College |
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My friend says it is a cash cow and only exists to make money. They have no interest in educating the Saudis only in staying their to milk the cow as long as possible.
But then again, that's prbably the same for most foreign providers in KSA!
I heard everything this college does is illegal. They have staff with no iqamas, fake qualifications and managers that don't manage.
They have a big plagiarism problem too and other students who just use google translate to convert their words into English with the obvious lack of clarity.
The coloqium that makes sure they check the student theses is a joke with rubber stamping of academic work routine. No oversight or quality control exists at all.
No doubt they'll muddle on till the Saudis or teh Colleges of Excellence bosses decide to investigate them and then they'll be out with their wads of cash.
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