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OT: Are you satisified with your notebook computer?

 
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: OT: Are you satisified with your notebook computer? Reply with quote

I had an old Toshiba Tecra CDT that I bought for about $250 US. It was a crusty old P-200 with 160 MB of RAM, 56K modem, and CD drive. It worked perfectly well for word processing, email, internet browsing, and using my digital camera. I thought it was great.
Too bad some thieves broke into my apartment a couple of weeks ago and relieved me of it.... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my ibooks.... I have owned 4 so far and I won't accept any other laptop ( except maybe a powerbook).

I bought the first one in 1998 and it was neon green ($1300). I sold it for 1000 in 2000 and got a newer one.... My most recent one is the one I am using right now ( G4 ibook with Wi-Fi, 768 MB RAM....the works) I use it to run my online webdesign and hosting business, create DVDs, edit home movies..... just about anything I fancy) If you're in the US, you can get your hands on one for a little less than $1000.

I am aware that there are many folks wo are still wary of macs but I figured I'll still throw in my 2 jaos.


My wife owns a Gateway that's less than 1 year old and ready to be retired for various reasons. I won't go into a tirade about mac vs. PC... Let's just say that I make a lot of cash from fixing computers running windows.
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Dr.J



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an IBM T41 (I think, T40 maybe) works just fine, very light and does all the stuff I want.

Obviously it depends on what you want to do, but above all else make sure it's reliable, because you can always use it for stuff like word processing even when it gets old.
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migo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm on a Powerbook G3 292 right now, and I'm not planning on buying a Mac again any time soon, but I definitely have my eye on some Tablet PCs, Averatec C3500 being at the top of the list because of the price and features. I would stay away from any of the Snow iBooks as a lot of them have defective logic boards. It's too early to tell if the G4 iBooks don't have some serious problem as well, and honestly the only iBook I'd touch is a clamshell one. A 466SE would probably do the trick for most things. Any of the G3 powerkbooks are too old by now to really be reliable, although a Pismo might have some life left in it. I'm not too keen on the PB G4s either as after they were really losing the MHz race they decided to change the architecture to allow for higher clock speeds without actually increasing the performance significantly, so a current gen 1.33GHz PB G4 isn't going to be that much faster than an old gen 867MHz PB G4. I might start looking at Apple laptops again if they release a G5 version, as they've finally caught up and are back in the running performancewise - even though they cheated on the benchmarks to make it look like the Dual 2.0 GHz G5s were faster than a 3.0GHz P4.

In terms of functionality, I don't think there's anything that beats a Tablet PC. I've used a few of them but haven't owned them. The Acer C300 and Gateway M275 are good if you need large screens and a CD drive built in. The Acer has a swappable drive but the Gateway seems to have better quality and durability (but they're both made by the same Taiwanese mfg so I'm not sure why that is). They're both with 14.1" screens. The Toshiba M200 and Motion M1300 (and now M1400 presumably, although it hasn't been on the market long) get the best overall reviews and customer satisfaction, but they're on the pricey side. They also don't come with built in CD drives. The Toshiba is a convertible, the Motion is a pure slate. They're both with 12.1" screens. The best one for price as I said is the Averatec C3500 but it's only been out for a week, it's convertible, has 12.1" screen and built in CD drive. It hasn't been out long enough to really tell whether it's reliable or not, but people who have used other Averatecs have been happy with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using an IBM Thinkpad for the lst four years. I've never had a problem with it that I didn't cause.

For my next computer I'll probably go with a MAC. They seem so easy to use, and attract far less viruses.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The G4 ibooks are good. No logic board problem, especially on the second generation. Apple is doing a good job with fixing the logic board problem on the ibook. My previous ibook was affected and they fixed it within 2 days. I was pretty lucky because they also fixed my speakers and replaced LCD which had one dead pixel...... Wink

I really loved my clamshell by it was sloooow with OS X. given that I need the mac for my online business, I had to upgrade.

Guest of Japan: do the switch, you won't regret it. I use my ibook for everything and it's compatible with my palm (zire 71), my cell phone (sony Ericsson Z608), and of course my ipod. You get all the software you need and you can also buy most commercial applications you're used to on the PC.

I love taking videos of my students during their presentations, editing everything on the laptop with imovie (free) and burning a VCD for them to watch in class and critique their own performance.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice Nolefan.
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migo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nolefan wrote:
The G4 ibooks are good. No logic board problem, especially on the second generation. Apple is doing a good job with fixing the logic board problem on the ibook. My previous ibook was affected and they fixed it within 2 days. I was pretty lucky because they also fixed my speakers and replaced LCD which had one dead pixel...... Wink


The G4 iBooks haven't been out for long enough for problems to start cropping up. Apple hasn't been too reliable with their products lately, too much glitz. They used to make bland but not ugly systems with high quality components that were expensive. Then they decided to switch to lower quality components, make the package look good, and sell for a lower price. The Clamshell iBook was the only real star to come out after that switch.

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I really loved my clamshell by it was sloooow with OS X. given that I need the mac for my online business, I had to upgrade.


Fair enough. I'm going to be upgrading to X in the next couple of weeks, I know I'll get a performance hit, but I'd rather have a slower system that doesn't crash on a daily basis. OS 9 is about as bad as Win 3.0 when it comes to stability. I went without a crash using Win Me steadily for a year, I haven't gone a week without a crash on my Mac.

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Guest of Japan: do the switch, you won't regret it. I use my ibook for everything and it's compatible with my palm (zire 71), my cell phone (sony Ericsson Z608), and of course my ipod. You get all the software you need and you can also buy most commercial applications you're used to on the PC.


Maybe. Take a really good look at all the software you're using now and see if it's available on the Mac as well. Then look at how much it's going to cost you to buy everything again so you can run it on a Mac. If the price is reasonable then it's as reasonable a choice as any, but one of the reasons I don't want to go with a Mac is because I need Virtual PC to run all the software I need because it isn't available on the Mac. The only program I'd need Softmac for is Escape Velocity, and I can do without one game.

Regarding Viruses, a good AV program will solve that. I've been using NOD32 and haven't had any problems with viruses. You can also get much more robust firewalls for Windows (such as Kerio Personal Firewall) for free, there's nothing comparable for the Mac. I know quite a few people who are happy with their Macs, but it's important to look at all the downsides that a Mac has and deciding whether they'll affect you or not before you decide to buy one.

Edit: Fixed a broken tag.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:47 am    Post subject: * Reply with quote

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migo



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

been_there wrote:
(Disclaimer :I have a second-generation PowerBook 1.25ghz)

The first thing you have to decide : "What do I need a computer for?"

Get a MS-DOS - based machine if
1. You are a programmer that only knows DOS, like programming in that language and won't learn a new one.
2. All the cheap, pirated programs you own and must-have are windows-based programs.


Umm, you haven't been looking at the other side since the 1980s have you?

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Get a Mac if:
1. You like to do a lot of mulit-media mixing (shoot a movie/slideshow, mix a soundtrach, burn it onto DVD) - Mac applications are intergrated and you can drag-and-drop stuff all over the place and it works.


That's nothing that a Windows system can't do just as well.

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2. You HATE all the trojans, viruses, security updates, and pop-up "You haven't signed up for a MSN passport yet" sillyness.


Trojans and Viruses are handled with a good AV program. Macs need security updates as well. You haven't signed up for a MSN passport is platform independent. I use both Macs and PCs, so I do know what I'm talking about.

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Mac OS X is based on open BSD, a "flavor" of UNIX, which is what the real world uses.


No, it's what a small portion of techies use. The real world uses Windows. Mac users just don't like to admit that fact.

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The second thing is: get the best computer you can barely afford.


Nope, always go for a system that's been out for a while and proven to be reliable. Never get the newest system, there's always potential that a new system has bugs that haven't been exposed yet. Even if they fix it for you you're still out of some time. Especially when dealing with macs. All the macs I've used that worked were older models that had been on the market for a while. All the ones that screwed up were the new models that were barely affordable. Even though I haven't had problems with new PCs I'd make the same reccomendations. You'll always find that within a year of buying your new top end system there's something new out there for about 2-3rds the price that is superior to your formally top end system in almost every way. Getting something that's been out for 6 months to a year is usually your best bet in terms of bang for your buck.

However, with PCI-Express right around the corner, it's actually not a good idea to buy a new system this year anyway. Get the cheapest system you can get that will do what you need it to for about a year, maybe a bit longer. Then get a PCI-Express based system that's proved reliable for about 6 months. It's your best option. Even though none are supposed to be on the horizon for Macs, I'd say the same thing. Apple doesn't like relasing information about new systems, as it means they get less sales of current ones as people hold off.


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There is no third thing.


Just to show how much you lack objectivity.


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By reading you mean propoganda. The only objective site out there is http://www.xvsxp.com and it still has a Mac bias, and I call BS on a few things they bring up, but the vast majority is good. It's not like I call BS on the vast majority of any comparisons brought up by other pro-mac sites.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole Mac vs. PC argument strikes me as being a *beep*-size contest. Shocked Do you guys also argue Ford vs. Chevy, or did you at least leave _that_ argument in the high school playground...? Wink

When making your purchase decision, be practical. Look at what you will be doing with the machine and buy the one that best suits your individual purposes. And yes, for some people one machine is better than the other.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
The whole Mac vs. PC argument strikes me as being a *beep*-size contest. Shocked Do you guys also argue Ford vs. Chevy, or did you at least leave _that_ argument in the high school playground...? Wink


I don't go out of my way to argue Mac vs PC, but if someone posts false information about either (regardless of whether it's positive or negative) I have to step in and point it out.

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When making your purchase decision, be practical. Look at what you will be doing with the machine and buy the one that best suits your individual purposes. And yes, for some people one machine is better than the other.


Very true. Also, make sure that there's someone in the vicinity of wherever you are going to be that knows how to fix it if something goes wrong. There's nothing worse than having a broken computer that you nor anyone else can fix. Often that's the case with Macs (which is why I had to learn to fix them myself) because hardly anyone uses them and therefore hardly anyone knows how to fix them. Of course in some parts of the world it probably doesn't matter either way.

Speaking of other parts of the world, make sure you can get an AC adaptor that handles the different power currents. And do some research to see if someone else has used that model or a similar one (ie same battery, PMU/PS) without any difficulties. This will be most of them, but occasionally some systems have gotten fried after extended use on a different current than they were designed for (ie 60Hz instead of 50Hz, even though the voltage has been dealt with appropriately).
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